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Xander Fulton
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Ummm...the operational scenarios that are the main focus of the product?

I guess I've found most of the objectives for those tend to reward not fighting at all - convoy interceptions, coast or port bombardment, etc.

Not really 'bloody minded, sink-every-ship' duels compared to most tactical-only wargames.

As it is...I dunno. To really string all the scenarios together more than the current operational games do would require a very strategic/economical focus.
 
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Almost all scenarios reward both sides substantial VP rewards for sinking enemy ships, particularly capital vessels. In most cases sinking a single capital ship can easily outweigh a number of minor mission objectives such as mining a port or escorting transports. So, I don't think its very accurate to say that the game rewards suicidal play. Every wargame tends to suffer from players taking much more risk than their historical counterparts would have, but assuming both players are trying to win, the game system does not reward overly aggressive behavior.
 
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I'm of two minds on this. On one hand is the fact that there are no cardboard widows. Losing HMS Lion really doesn't mean that Ethel Beatty lost her husband so there is nothing wrong with going after the enemy hammer and tongs.

On the other hand, the German High Seas fleet was accutely aware of the risk of losing ships. Kaiser Wilhelm essentially forbade the fleet from going to see unless they could be assured of victory. This extreme caution was pushed onto his admirals and made them hesitant to risk their ships under any circumstances. Ingerhol turned his battle squadrons back during the Scarborough Raid because of this caution. Had he stayed his course, he would have found six of the Grand Fleet dreadnoughts with his much stronger force.

On the English side of the coin, Jellicoe was very aware of how thin his numerical advantage was and also understood that a portion of his battle squadrons were undergoing maintainance at any one time which further reduced his strength. Neither side was in a position to commit to a Mahan style battle.
 
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Mike Sisson wrote:
I'm of two minds on this. On one hand is the fact that there are no cardboard widows. Losing HMS Lion really doesn't mean that Ethel Beatty lost her husband so there is nothing wrong with going after the enemy hammer and tongs.

On the other hand, the German High Seas fleet was accutely aware of the risk of losing ships. Kaiser Wilhelm essentially forbade the fleet from going to see unless they could be assured of victory. This extreme caution was pushed onto his admirals and made them hesitant to risk their ships under any circumstances. Ingerhol turned his battle squadrons back during the Scarborough Raid because of this caution. Had he stayed his course, he would have found six of the Grand Fleet dreadnoughts with his much stronger force.

On the English side of the coin, Jellicoe was very aware of how thin his numerical advantage was and also understood that a portion of his battle squadrons were undergoing maintainance at any one time which further reduced his strength. Neither side was in a position to commit to a Mahan style battle.


Very true. The nice thing about wargame systems like GWAS and SWWAS is you can test the consequences of choices and risks that the historical commanders would never have made. I find the crowd playing GWAS and SWWAS seems to be much more interested in the grand pageantry of naval campaigns than the supreme competitive view found elsewhere. I'm not even sure the GWAS and SWWAS systems would work that well competitively without some rules overhauls.
 
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