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This afternoon I happened to be surfing and was checking out some different variations of Diplomacy. Look at what I bumbled over.

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=ah/prod/diplomacy

Yeah! Who woulda thunk...

If anyone has contacts at the company, I was hoping they could put in a word for some of the neato variations found here on the geek. Especially the higly praised ones that some folks here love and prefer to the original rules.

Woot!.

Maybe there is hope for a Aquire reprint.

Oh if this is old news, feel free too circular file it.
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Are those cardboard chits? Interesting design choice from Wizards of the Coast.
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The mapboard is the best I've seen in any edition of Diplomacy. I like it.

As for the "markers," flat counters replacing either miniatures or wooden blocks is unexceptable to me. There aren't all that many pieces in Diplomacy to begin with; short-cutting on them is really cheap.

C'mon Hasbro/AH --- produce to standard.
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Yeah believe it or not, they are cardboard.

I wish I had more details, but currently I am at the discovery stage of this offering coming soon.

I think this version is going to be a little different. This version lists 350 markers.

It may be wrong but 350 markers is quite a few.
 
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From, what I understand the game includes control markers, armies and navies. That is the reason that it has 350....my thought is Hasbro should use the wooden blocks with the cardboard control markers.
 
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ExcitingJeff wrote:
Are those cardboard chits? Interesting design choice from Wizards of the Coast.


They sure look like CGI chits to me. (The sword is the dead giveaway, the map is actually very nicely rendered)
 
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Pathirtle wrote:
bulldozers wrote:
Yeah believe it or not, they are cardboard.

I wish I had more details, but currently I am at the discovery stage of this offering coming soon.

I think this version is going to be a little different. This version lists 350 markers.

It may be wrong but 350 markers is quite a few.


It definitely sounds like they're making some significant changes. 350 markers is about 300 more than the original, and the number of players for the new version is listed as 2-7.

Sounds interesting. I'll have to keep my eye on this one.

I don't know that they are making any changes from the latest version - rules-wise I mean. The last incarnation had rules for 2-7 players as well - basically just dividing up the map amongst players and dropping Italy when you had an even number of players.

It also contained 70 armies and 70 fleets (10 each for each nation) and 22 control markers per nation. That would be 294 pieces. So there are only 21 "new" pieces in this edition - and the extra pieces (divided by 7 gives each player 3 new pieces) sounds like it might be just rounded up to 25 control markers per person, or giving everyone 1 extra army, fleet, and control marker.

The 24-page rulebook sounds like it will be laid out exactly like the rulebook that is up on their website now - also at 24 pages. http://www.wizards.com/avalonhill/rules/diplomacy.pdf
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I think the cardboard pieces are to drop the price of the game. Remember, the last time Wizards/AH released the game (with painted Monopoly cannons and ships!), the MSRP was $50. This time it is $40.
 
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DrFlanagan wrote:
I think the cardboard pieces are to drop the price of the game. Remember, the last time Wizards/AH released the game (with painted Monopoly cannons and ships!), the MSRP was $50. This time it is $40.


Maybe even a Bookcase Game-sized box? You certainly don't need a Euro-sized square box for 1 mapboard and cardboard counters.
 
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although I like the looks of the map, I don't like the size. what is the use of all the sea west of Portugal ? If you draw a north-south line just east of the black sea, what is the use of the map east of the line ? Together these areas take 1/3 of the with of the map.

So I would make the current map (30"x20") square by removing these aera's (20"x20"). Or blowing up the scale, printing the same square aera on a map up to 30" by 30".

and btw, the website says only 315 markers, not 350.

edited for the position of the black sea line...
 
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is the last version (the one with lovely miniatures) out of print?

i have 2 in shrink wrap if you anyone is interested... ;-)
 
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macedwin wrote:
is the last version (the one with lovely miniatures) out of print?

i have 2 in shrink wrap if you anyone is interested... ;-)

Yes, this was the most recent version:


 
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although I like the looks of the map, I don't like the size. what is the use of all the sea west of Portugal ? If you draw a north-south line just east of the black sea, what is the use of the map east of the line ? Together these areas take 1/3 of the with of the map.

So I would make the current map (30"x20") square by removing these aera's (20"x20"). Or blowing up the scale, printing the same square aera on a map up to 30" by 30".

and btw, the website says only 315 markers, not 350.


Nice map. FWIW, the original Games Research board had the Caspian Sea on it also.

If we are stuck with cardboard, I'd like to see AH make wood pieces available separately (w/flag stickers a la Deluxe Diplomacy).
 
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I like the muted colors of the new board. It makes it easier to see the country borders than in the last version, but I must say that I liked the Hasbro version with the square mapboard better. The metal pieces were a nice add-on and given that most games today retail for $50 it seems they could have done something nicer with the pieces and still been competitive.

It's surprising that they decided to do an economy version for the 50th anniversary edition. I was hoping for something with a bit more flash.
 
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