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Who ever thought a game about Maori land wars would make it to the light of day. What is truely a shame is that it is designed by an american. Good on John for doing it. I'm not a wargamer but I would buy it for the cultural sentiment as much as anything. The map looks great the production prototype (if thats what it is) is beautiful. The complete package.

The only thing one is left wondering is "wheres the other two islands". Good job John.
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Only one conflict occurred in the South Island (Wairau, Nelson area) and it happened to be the first. Not a lot of point including the whole South Island as nothing else happened there.

 
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I thought Kororareka was the first - the flag pole battle?
 
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Yeah looking forward to this, I really need to order it. It is worth looking at conquest of paradise if your really interested in games with NZ in it as well. While it isn't specifically a new zealand game it features a lot about maori culture.
 
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adamknight wrote:
I thought Kororareka was the first - the flag pole battle?


Do you mean the Flagstaff War?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flagstaff_War
"The Flagstaff War – also known as Hone Heke's Rebellion, the Northern War and erroneously as the First Māori War – was fought between 11 March 1845 and 11 January 1846 in and around the Bay of Islands, New Zealand." (my emphasis)

That's according to Wikipedia anyway.

The "Wairau Affray" was earlier, in 1843. Once again, wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wairau_Affray
"...the Wairau Affray on June 17, 1843, also known as the Wairau Massacre in most older texts, was the first serious clash of arms between the Māori natives and the British settlers after the signing of the Treaty of Waitangi and the only one to take place in the South Island."

It all kinda escalated after that.

I don't have any special knowledge so I'm only going by what I've read elsewhere.

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meowsqueak wrote:
adamknight wrote:
I thought Kororareka was the first - the flag pole battle?


Do you mean the Flagstaff War?


Yep, that's the one I was meaning. Kororareka was the town that was sacked and destroyed, before Russell was built in it's place. It had been garrisoned by the British to prevent a 3rd attempt on the flag pole, but Hone Heke and Te Kawhiti attacked anyway. Te Kawhiti launched a diversionary attack on the town while Hone Heke attacked the blockhouse guarding the flag pole, and cut it down again. I'd always thought it was the start of the NZ wars, but I guess that's not true! I'll have to read up on the Wairau Affray now
 
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Can anyone recommend any good books on the Land Wars? I probably will have trouble finding it in Singapore but anyhoo...
 
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I haven't read either of these, but both authors are (were in the case of King) very respectable and highly regarded historians:

Belich, James (1988). The New Zealand Wars. Penguin.
King, Michael (2003). The Penguin History of New Zealand. Penguin.

More here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maori_Wars#Further_reading
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elijah234 wrote:
Can anyone recommend any good books on the Land Wars? I probably will have trouble finding it in Singapore but anyhoo...


Hi Elijah,

There are some good online resources if you'd prefer - that way you don't have to hunt for books!

http://www.newzealandwars.co.nz/index.htm
http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/war/the-new-zealand-wars
http://history-nz.org/wars1.html

James Belich also has a really interesting documentary series based on his book, also called the New Zealand Wars:

http://www.shopnewzealand.co.nz/en/cp/The_New_Zealand_Wars_5...

which makes the subject a bit more accessible.

Cheers,
Adam
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Elijah Lau
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Thanks!
 
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Hi Elijah. The game is based on information drawn largely from the following two texts I picked up in New Zealand: The New Zealand Wars by James Belich and The COlonial New Zealand Wars by Tim Ryan and Bill Parham. The former provides pretty specific campaign information. The latter provides an amazing collection of period and reenactment sketches and photos. Thanks for your interest in the subject.
 
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Thanks for the kind words Andrew. The other respondents were correct. There was little conflict recorded outside of North Island.
 
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Recent radio program on topic.

Australian Broadcasting Corporation, Late Night Live, 11 March 2009.
"Blood Brothers: Australian involvement in the 19th century New Zealand wars

A discussion about the earliest source of the ANZAC tradition, which in the minds of most Australians was forged at Gallipoli. A new book reveals that it goes a lot further back, 'to the damp forests and fields of the North Island of New Zealand', in the mid-19th century.

Despite an apparent lack of interest from Australian historians, Jeff Hopkins-Weise argues in Blood Brothers that these battles were highly significant in the development of the Antipodean colonies."

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/latenightlive/stories/2009/2513327....
Audio downloadable. No transcript.
http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/rn/podcast/2009/03/lnl_20090311_...
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