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I am looking for, preferably, a game for 2 players that is a very good game of strategy, but has very little to no luck.

For example: Twilight Struggle, Hannibal, Commands and Ancients, etc.

Not limited to just those 3, I looked at the rules as well as the forums of such games but still want a collection of player's experiences with them as well as an idea as to whether the game is driven more by player choices or how the cards/dice happen to fall.

Any help is appreciated.
 
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The games you listed do have some luck, as far as card draws. So I assume you mean you don't want random die rolls to determine what happens.

Check out these:

Starcraft
Ka-Ching - "perfect information" card game
Go - best strategy game I know

 
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on the low luck factor, I might recommend Tara, Project Kells -- here's the BGG entry as there are several games by the same name.

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/game/19665
 
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Napoleon's Triumph

No dice, no cards, superb game.
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Hmmm.....Chess?
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http://www.boardgamegeek.com/game/18745

Dynasties

2-players --both have the same number of armies and start with the exact same deck of cards.

A game takes 20-30 minutes--but involves tough choices regarding card use, since most cards can only be used once during the game.
 
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Well, most wargames are going to have some luck but the overwhelming amount of depth in most of them will balance that out. The luck just makes the game less predictable.

Some to look into:
Dungeon Twister a very deep, luck free(some hidden info), It has some superficial similarity to chess but with a lot more theme and cool stuff to do.
I always recommend the Columbia Block games, especially:
Hammer of the Scots-awesome it has luck with both cards and dice but there is still a lot to think about.
Also
Rommel in the Desert
EastFront
Crusader Rex
The rules for Rommel and Eastfront are fairly complex, though.

Napoleon's Triumph is luck free(hidden info) but takes some time to wrap your mind around, its quite unconventional but beautiful and deep once you figure it out. Read the rules first to see if it's of interest-they're available on the publishers site.

As far as the ones you've mentioned, I own Hannibal but haven't played it yet; it's fairly complex with a 25 or so page rulebook so I'm not sure if thats an issue or not. C&C might be good but it has plenty of luck with dice and cards as well. I've not played Twilight Struggle but I have playd 1960 the Making of the President and found that it had way too much luck for my taste. Most of the games you mentioned probably have more luck than the average wargame.

You could also give Go a shot if you haven't yet-nothing deeper(or more luck-free) than that. It's not very fun for me but it is much-loved here.

Also give this light wargame metalist a gander-each entry leads to another geeklist and page 2 has the most recommended games. You'll find lots of options:

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/22861

Good luck!
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It's not clear to me if you want a wargame/simulation specifically, or are open to more general games, e.g. abstract or thin theme strategy (Go, Trax, Hive, Gipf project [Gipf, Dvonn, Tzaar, etc], Clans, Gipsy King, Travel Blokus, Through the Desert, Hey That's My Fish, Rumis, Terra Nova, Glik, Pick & Pack, Hex, Boxes, etc etc all have no or minimal luck) or economic (Power Grid leaps to mind) etc.
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A few games I think you might enjoy that involve both strategy and some deduction would be first MR JACK http://www.boardgamegeek.com/game/21763 which is quick but the strategy can be great and will change depending on whether you are Jack or the Inspector. You can even play this game online to get an idea at http://mrjack.biludi.de/.

Another game would be COLD WAR: CIA vs KGB http://www.boardgamegeek.com/game/24742 which is very reasonable at only $15 and involves strategy as to what you think the other player is going to do. This is also solely a two person game but for such a simple concept it is quite engaging.

Lastly I would recommend 221B Baker St. Sherlock Holmes and the Time Machine http://www.boardgamegeek.com/game/2119 and 221B Baker Street and Expansions http://www.boardgamegeek.com/game/1275 these are not just two person games and though there is some luck as you are rolling dice it does involve a bit of strategy with which clues to block and some deduction on deciphering the clues that you discover. There are a number of expansion cases so you can play quite a while without the risk of running out of new cases.

I hope this helps.
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First of all, thanks to everyone for the suggestions, they have helped quite a bit in narrowing things down. Although I suppose I wasn't as specific as I should have been.

As far as what I am looking for, preferably a game with a deeper theme. I already have a few abstract games, including Go, which I really enjoy, as well as several thin theme games.

The suggestions and Geeklists above have helped out quite a bit looking in the wargame area, I also like the idea of Mr. Jack.

Anyways, that's kind of the direction of leaning to.
 
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http://www.boardgamegeek.com/game/31975

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oatesatm wrote:

I am looking for, preferably, a game for 2 players that is a very good game of strategy, but has very little to no luck.

For example: Twilight Struggle, Hannibal, Commands and Ancients, etc.

Not limited to just those 3, I looked at the rules as well as the forums of such games but still want a collection of player's experiences with them as well as an idea as to whether the game is driven more by player choices or how the cards/dice happen to fall.

Any help is appreciated.


ANY of the GIPF series.

I've played TALUVA a few times (3-4 player) and find that one lite and interesting...Nice components too!!
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You could try 'Triagonal' ~ Game option (1)

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Personally, I don't like abstracts.. but they tend to have little to no luck...

However, Reef Encounter is quite good...
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I forgot about the old classic Conquest, a luckless pure strategy game that's in a gray area between abstract and ancient-warfare-themed.
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Bus is the best no luck game available
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May I suggest Homeworlds?
Binary Homeworlds (the two player variant) is a fantastic semi-abstract. Very deep.
 
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cull wrote:
The games you listed do have some luck, as far as card draws. So I assume you mean you don't want random die rolls to determine what happens.

Check out these:

Starcraft
Ka-Ching - "perfect information" card game
Go - best strategy game I know



I also suggest Go. It's the perfect strategic game. Go is the game Chess wants to be. Best of all there are dedicated go servers hosting thousands of players. Finding a game is easy.
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cull wrote:
The games you listed do have some luck, as far as card draws. So I assume you mean you don't want random die rolls to determine what happens.

Check out these:

Starcraft
Ka-Ching - "perfect information" card game
Go - best strategy game I know



I also suggest Go. It's the perfect strategic game. Go is the game Chess wants to be. Best of all there are dedicated go servers hosting thousands of players. Finding a game is easy.


Go is the game Chess wants to be. That's a great joke. You made my day.
 
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It's a little tongue in cheek, but I mean what I say. arrrh
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...then you're a little on the dim side. They're entirely different games, one is about area control while the other is about capturing one piece. I play both and enjoy both about the same but in very different ways.
 
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There's no need to be rude or insulting. As with everything your experiences will vary. My opinion is obviously different from yours.

edit: I do find it interesting you rank Go a perfect 10 and Chess a 9 though....
 
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I suppose you are looking for a game with a war scenario. perhaps you dont like the abstrakts.
Anyway, please have a look on my game "PONTE DEL DIAVOLO". You can play it at yuccata.de
The more you will play it, you will see, there is more strategy then you suppose.
 
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