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This looks interesting to me. I've always like the thought of miniatures games, but when you combine it with football, my attention is really focused. I've perused Living Rulebook 5, but I have some questions:

Do you need the starter set? I imagine its a good place to begin.

Where do you find player stats?

Where can I buy these miniatures?

How many teams are needed for a good league?

How hard, in comparison to 40K and FB is this game to learn?

Any good advice for someone who may be thinking about wanting to play Blood Bowl?
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Do you need the starter set? I imagine its a good place to begin.


You would need it for the board, counters, and other pieces. I guess you could make your own, but it might be expensive.

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Where can I buy these miniatures?


You can go on GW's store and it would be listed under their specialist games.

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How many teams are needed for a good league?


I always did an 8 team league, but others may have a different opinion.

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How hard, in comparison to 40K and FB is this game to learn?


Blood Bowl is much simpler than 40K or WHFB. Blood Bowl is definitely a board game and can be picked up in one or two plays, though strategy might take a bit more to grasp.

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Any good advice for someone who may be thinking about wanting to play Blood Bowl?


I would get the starter and play a few games to see how you like it. If you really want new teams, go ahead and buy them, though it is quite easy to proxy for this game (miniatures are irrelevant beyond being pieces.)
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Thanks. Any idea where the figure stats come from? Can they be downloaded for free as will.
 
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stormseeker75 wrote:
Thanks. Any idea where the figure stats come from? Can they be downloaded for free as will.


Sorry, I was trying to find it earlier, but the website kept locking up when it attempted to open the .pdf's.

But all the stats are listed here:

http://www.specialist-games.com/assets/LRB5Teams_PurpleRef.p...


And here is a link to the Blood Bowl minis store:

http://store.us.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.us?do=Li...
 
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Thanks. Any idea where the figure stats come from? Can they be downloaded for free as will.


www.fumbbl.com is primarily a site for playing BB online, but also has stats for the figures. (The stats found on this site is from the living rulebook (which also can be found there).

Everything in the game except the rangefinder should be esy to make, but it is much easier to buy the boardgame.
 
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How many teams are needed for a good league?


I always did an 8 team league, but others may have a different opinion.


You can have a very good league with just four teams.
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Tanakor wrote:
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How many teams are needed for a good league?


I always did an 8 team league, but others may have a different opinion.


You can have a very good league with just four teams.


Or you can do what a few friends of mine did and have a 4-person league where each person has 2 teams. Each team gets to play 6 games that way, and you each get the fun of trying out two different teams. For me, my wood elf team (undefeated and league champions) more than made up for the disappointment of my poor dwarf team.
 
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Bear in mind that not every player in a league has to have a different race for their team. Multiple orc or human teams in a league is not uncommon.

The two teams in the boxed set, orcs and humans, are great starter teams for beginners.

I wouldn't recommend jumping right into a league format until you have players who have already played a game or two - which is where the boxed set comes in handy again. That said, the league rules included in the Living Rules are outstanding, in many people's opinions.

Four teams would be enough for a league, once you do go that way (and you will want to once you start playing, I can quite safely say - the game is that good). A round-robin format or set of home-and-home matches followed by a four-team playoff would be an easy way to start league play, and give you a good taste of the angst and joy of managing a roster full of frothing head bashers.
 
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jgerman wrote:
There is a fairly active online Blood Bowl league... http://fumbbl.com/


FUMBBL is super-sweet, I've played over a 1.000 matches there. It's still on LRB4 though (which some see as a good thing), so if you want to play the current rules (LRB5), you have to do so on table-top.

Steve: congratulations, you have discovered the greatest two-player campaign game in the world ever. Happy gaming.
 
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Blood Bowl is a great game. I play it still a bit (waiting for minis for the Slaan team...shake )

Another one you could look into is Elfball.

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Other than the GW teams, there are some other manufacturers that do fantasy football players.

http://www.impactminiatures.com/
US based, make Elfball and a host of teams which could easily be fit into one of the blood bowl teams.

http://www.shadowforge.com.au/
Make very nice all female teams, they are based in australia, but there must be some us distributors.

http://www.heresyminiatures.com/deathball.htm
Limited range, but some very nice stuff, UK based but may be able to find a US supplier

http://www.tritex-games.co.uk/
A uk seller i have used in the past, used to have a huge range but seems to have declined, will ship to the US but there may be better US based alternatives.

http://www.goblinforge.com/catalogue_famille.php?Id=1
another limited selection manufacturer, but based in france

I found a site called pitch witch that claims to do print your own pitches, not sure how good they are as not tried one yet.
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Blood bowl is a must have game! This game is my only 10 this far (and I have played quite many games in my life). BB is by far the best game Games Workshop has put together. So why is it that good?

Here's my thoughts...

The setting.
Football mixed up with bloodthirsty orcs and undeads, agile and fast elves, crazy snotlings, rock hard dwarves and fearsome ogres... what could be better?! Add some cheerleaders, crazy fans and ref's with a deathwish to the mix it will make you go wow!

The rules
The rules are quite easy to learn but takes a lifetime to master. The mechanics are really good and gives you a lots of opportunities to build your own strategies and tactics. The race you play definitely gives you some restrictions but I mean the opportunities are endless. You'll definitely need a huge chunk of luck to be able to pick up that slippery ball and throw that loooong bomb for the TD, with your not so agile ogre...but there is at least a chance for you to pull it off. And when you do - believe me - you'll be doing that hilarious TD-dance in front of your opponent

The (fast paced) excitement
The excitement when playing the game is huge! Every move you make will get you to think twice - should I go for that bold dodge/sprint combo with the ball or should I hand it over to my thrower and go for that long pass? There's no other board game that makes my pulse go wild like this.

Fast paced...well maybe not always. There is a great risk for AP so my advice is that you use a clock and limit the turn to 4 minutes or so.

The progress of your team and players
The absolutely best thing with this game however is the constant development of your team and the players therein. Some players will get badly injured and never do much good but other players will rise to become famous starplayers - loved by you and your teams fans and hated by your opponents.

I think the system for developing your players (getting new skills) is plain brilliant. For this to come into effect however you have to play in a league.

My advice to you
1. As others already has pointed out I think you definitely should use the real BB-figures and game board. This will add to the feeling of the game and I mean it's a must to be able to know which player it is you're moving.

2. Start by playing a couple of single games with your friends to learn the rules and to find out what race you want to play/what tactics to use.

3. Start that league of yours! This is what the game is all about! The more players the better, but four teams in the league will do just fine. With four teams you can let every team face off twice and then move into the semi-finals and final. This way every team will play at least seven games in one season.

...and then... start the second season

Yes I really love this game!
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Although The live and pbem adoptions on the Web are quite nice I'd heavily suggest trying your first steps with the real deal.

The base game box containing two rather allrounder teams (Orcs and Humans), the Board, balls, all rulers and dice you need and the rules (which you don't need, because you should take the LRB5.0 rules).
70$ is quite a hefty price for just trying out. So if you're really unsure have a look if you can make a trial game somewhere.

Furthermore I'd suggest trying one game with just the basic rules and then a few games with all the extra rules (Kick off, Fumbles, Interceptions, Fouls etc.) before you start any leagues.

After a handful of games you'll have a good impression if you like the game or not and if you like it the urge of playing a league where your Players can develop will automatically occur.
Soon you'll also be wanting to try different teams which you usually can by substituting with the miniatures from the base game, before you spend the money on the real minis.

At the moment I'm even playing a 2-player league with a good friend of mine (via eMail) where each is playing 5 Teams and we only play the games against each other.
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The tackle zones are the neatest "feature" in this game. That and the immediate and unexpected end-of-turn upon failure of a roll (which is almost ALWAYS crucial, heh)
 
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SJBenoist wrote:
I actually disagree strongly about the mini's being unimportant.

Proxies can be tough, as the player's have different stats & abilities. Being unable to distinguish which one is the mummy can be a HUGE factor.

Bear in mind, the game is played with a time-limit so continually pointing to every player and saying "Which one is this, again?" isn't an option.


A one-inch counter has plenty of room for a number, and the word "blitzer" (or whatever) in big, friendly letters. And is more intuitive than expecting your opponent to know that the Dwarf Runners are the ones whose helmets don't have horns, or that Wights are the Skeletons with more armor.

I definitely like playing with miniatures, but they aren't really necessary for this game. Especially if you're still in the learning process, and want to try out a few teams to figure out which works for you. Miniatures aren't cheap, so don't buy a team you end up hating just to watch it languish on the bench.
 
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Fair enough. I just figured, in the context of a player starting out, painting up full teams should come second to figuring out which teams you might want to keep.

But if people want to paint up full teams just to sell them off when they don't like them, that's all good for me. I hate painting, and am happy to hang out on eBay to pick up an extra team or three .
 
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I (and others) have asked similar questions see:

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/266163

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/276418

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/273282

and received answers that convinced me I wanted the game (I have it on order and can't wait).

In the mean time I have been playing BB using an old DOS game that you can download for free - just google "Download DOS Blood Bowl". You can then use a DOS emulator (e.g. DOSBox) to play it. As others have stated the AI is a bit lame but it will do 2 things for you:

1. Teach you the basics (Especially keeping your die rolls to a minimum);
2. Give you a good feel for the game to see if it is actually your cup of tea - without spending a cent!

While I am waiting for the real thing to arrive I have been playing a lot of the DOS game but gave up playing the RRs (Humans) as I was winning all the time. So I have a team of Halflings that have 1 tie, 1 win, and 1 loss under their belt to date but I am running out of players as they get beat up so easily At any rate I am having hoot even with this so can only imagine how good the real game will be.

If you didn't already know BB is being released for the PSP, DS Lite, PC and the XBox360 later this year. One reason I let my wife buy a DS Lite as I own a Mac . There was also another game called Chaos League but without a PC I haven't tried that one.

You can buy figures from the Games Workshop US and UK online stores under their specialists games. Otherwise ebay is obvious but apparently people do substandard re-casts .... I haven't purcahsed from Impact Miniatures but they answered an email I sent immediately which is always a good sign. If you lived (live) in Oz, MilSims and Scrap Dragon are selling the miniatures in Feb - they were pre-orders so I don't know if they are still taking them.

What more can I say? You don't need to buy the game - A large sheet of paper, paper minis, and ordinary dice would do (or buy blank die and mark em up as required) - it comes down to the visuals I suppose - I like nice components so in the end it was a simple choice for me. Oh - it does indeed seem very easy to learn but will take a lot of plays to "master".
 
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I just read about another game: Mutant League Football (MLF) for the Sega Genesis. I don't have one of those but apparently MFL is one of the games available on "EA Replay" for the PSP - Oh yeah, I don't own a PSP either ...
 
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