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Michael M.
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Thanks for looking, and I apologize about the confusing subject line.

I have Blue Moon and all of the expansions except the E&I sets. I'm not interested in building custom decks, but I do want my decks to be as balanced as possible.

I'm wondering if I should leave the decks as they came (ie the Hoax deck has a Terrah, Pillar, and Flit card in it), or seperate the cards so each deck has only a single people represented in it (ie remove any non-Hoax cards that were originally packaged with the Hoax set, and then put any additional Hoax cards - the ones that were packaged in the expansion sets - into the Hoax deck.)

In your experience, which method produces more optimally balanced decks?

(This sounds a lot more confusing than it actually is. If you're a Blue Moon fan you probably know exactly what I mean.)

Thanks!
 
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Re: Better balance - Single people sets or out-of-the-box de
This has been discussed many times 'round these parts, with I think most people believing the decks are more balanced as shipped. Nowadays I prefer the original decks, but for a while after I first bought the game the idea of having "displaced" cards in the individual people decks was too discordant to me so I "consolidated" the decks like you're referring to. I played like that for a while until one day the displaced cards just didn't bother me anymore, so I switched back.

Balance-wise, it's been a while, but I seem to recall consolidating the decks made Pillar a bit tougher to play with and made Flit a little more challenged as well, particularly against consolidated Aqua.
 
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Re: Better balance - Single people sets or out-of-the-box de
I put all of mine in their respective races, ie., all Hoax together, all Flit together, etc. It did not seem to unbalance anything. After all, you are only talking about 3 cards from/to each race until you get to the Emissaries & Inquisitors. There are 3 more for each race in the E & I and I did not put the races from the E & I together with everything else. Mainly because it would throw the balance off of each deck having 30 cards. Substituting cards in/from E & I is goof though.
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Re: Better balance - Single people sets or out-of-the-box de
I much prefer the decks as they are out of the box, mostly when playing with new players to the game. For most advanced gamers I recomend the allies and inquisitors mixes available on those also. I haven't tried (nor have desire) to go beyond this.
 
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Here's what I wrote in the FAQ list:


Q: I like to play "reassembling" the peoples, for example putting
Heroine of the Great Plains [Mimix 06, Vulca deck] back into the
Mimix deck, and in return getting back Titanic Gauntlets [Vulca 22,
Flit deck] ("The Earth value of one of my character cards doubles.").
Is this reasonable?


A: It isn't an option described in the rulebook, but if you and your
opponent want to try it, you obviously can. It should be reasonably
balanced (it's the starting point for building decks using the
Advanced Rules, see section 'About the Advanced Rules'), however the
preassembled decks are those that have been balanced against each
other. With Emissaries and Inquisitors it is more complicated, you
have more cards for each people than you need for a 30 card deck.
Also note that the emissaries are intended to be used with the
preassembled decks (with added cards), not with reassembled decks.

 
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Re: Better balance - Single people sets or out-of-the-box de
I don't think there's any question that the decks, as shipped, are more balanced than the consolidated decks. The question is how big the balance difference actually is. Consolidated decks can be fun, but if your only concern is optimal balance, play the out-of-the-box decks.
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Re: Better balance - Single people sets or out-of-the-box de
I think out of the box decks are probably more balanced, and are also "softened" compared to consolidated. Consolidated strengthening examples would be terrah getting an extra storm card, Kind getting a bigger gang and awesome support. ie the people would play more true to their style strengths and weaknesses.
 
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I can only assume that, as competent of a game designer that Dr. Knizia is, that there are a few cards in each race's deck that don't belong to that race for a good reason and that it ADDS to the gameplay and depth rather than takes away from it.
 
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tigerwiccan wrote:
I can only assume that, as competent of a game designer that Dr. Knizia is, that there are a few cards in each race's deck that don't belong to that race for a good reason and that it ADDS to the gameplay and depth rather than takes away from it.


From the FAQ list


Q: The decks seem to be mixed up slightly, the Vulca deck has only 26
Vulca cards (and a leader card), plus 3 cards from other peoples and
1 mutant. What's happening?


A: This is deliberate, and has a number of purposes. It gives you a
preview of the other sets (the basic game has one card from each of
the other six Blue Moon peoples, as does each other pair of Blue Moon
people decks). It also provides you with a touch of how the Advanced
Rules work (see section 'About the Advanced Rules').


If you think an unstated aspect of the first purpose above is that it might encourage people to buy more decks, all I can say is I don't have any definite knowledge of that. But if I were guessing ...

Oh, and for free, also from the FAQ list


Q: This list always refers to the Vulca, the Hoax, the Mimix, the Flit,
the Khind, the Terrah, the Pillar and the Aqua (and those introduced
in Emissaries and Inquisitors, including the Buka) as "peoples".
Sometimes I see "races" being used. Should it be?


A: No.
 
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the_great_dalmuti wrote:
I do want my decks to be as balanced as possible.

The pre-assembled decks out of the box is your best bet if you want balance.
 
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