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I was looking at some random games here in the database and was looking at their number of owners. All that number really tells me is how many BGGers own the game. I was wondering if there was some way to get a good estimate of how many games exist out there (by players, not stores).

Here's a list of where these other games may be:

Games bought by random people at a convention
Games bought by random at a game store (think birthday present)
Games bought by geeks that don't know of BGG
Games bought by geeks who know of BGG but don't have it listed in their collection
Games bought as a backup copy for those on the BGG who already own it.
Games abandoned / thrift stores / garage sales
Game bought by non-English speakers who don't use BGG
Other?

Is there any publisher out there who knows exactly how many sales he has had to compare to the number listed as owned here on BGG? Ultimately, I'm curious about how pervasive BGG is in the world of games.
 
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My guess would be that BGG is statistically insignificant to the vast number of games out there. I'd bet that the database only contains a small fraction of the games that have been published in the past 20 years.
 
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Some sold out limited run Essen games:

Fowl Play! - 500 copies, 164 BGG owners
Hameln - 1000 copies, 268 BGG owners

On the other hand, 6 nimmt! has sold over a million copies but has only 3250 BGG owners
 
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eightbit wrote:
My guess would be that BGG is statistically insignificant to the vast number of games out there. I'd bet that the database only contains a small fraction of the games that have been published in the past 20 years.


You're right. I would agree with this statement for most mass market games out there. There are probably more copies of Trivial Pursuit out there than people (My local thrift store can attest to that).

I'm more curious about the average Euro game that is most likely only available online or in a hobby store.
 
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oskari wrote:
Some sold out limited run Essen games:

Fowl Play! - 500 copies, 164 BGG owners
Hameln - 1000 copies, 268 BGG owners

On the other hand, 6 nimmt! has sold over a million copies but has only 3250 BGG owners


Interesting! This is exactly the information I was looking for.

I wonder which category these non-BGG owners fall under. I am guessing that they were random convention gamers, non-English speakers, and/or people who have never heard of BGG.

I didn't expect to see a big percentage of BGG owners. So, until I see more data, I'm going to assume that somewhere between 65-75% of a gamer's owners are not entered into the database. I'm disregarding 6 nimmt! because it seems that once you hit a million copies you've broken into a new category.
 
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Most publishers don't release any firm sales figures so all we have to go by most times is vague estimates and guesstimates.

Game sales figures have been discussed many times on BGG without much firm data...

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/article/1911584#1911584
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/article/2145561#2145561
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/article/1504010#1504010
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/article/604393#604393
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/article/505792#505792

Here are some slightly outdated yet interesting figures...

http://www.spielboy.com/printrun.php

Doing some very rough number crunching... 2006 sales figures for boardgaming were reportedly 802.2 Million USD in the USA alone.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2007/11/29/low_tec...

If we say the average boardgame sells for $25 (might be high or low but will do for this estimate) then that's about the equivalent of about 32 million boardgames sold in 2006 in the USA.

Using this snapshot of the BGG database as of April '07...
http://mccanna23.com/games/index.cfm

All the game ownership numbers for all the games here on BGG added up together as of April of last year totaled just over 1.5 million games (and that's the input from over 7 years since BGG began) so with estimated sales each year in the USA alone of over 30 million units not even considering the likely millions of sales in Europe/Asia/Australia/Canada/South America we can see that BGG ownership numbers in comparison to the total boardgame market is pretty much a drop in the bucket.
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I'm guessing most of the owners of these games fall under the category of:
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Games bought by geeks that don't know of BGG
 
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Koldfoot wrote:
How many games are sold because a BGGer introduced it to his non-BGG friends?


If we count only friends, and not friends of friends, I am somewhere in the vicinity of 50 games sold. That's still only a fraction of what I've bought myself laugh
 
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I learned how to play Settlers of Catan in early November. Between Thanksgiving and New Years I taught 34 people how to play. At least 7 of those people went out and bought the game. A few of them are now into more serious games than what can be found at Walmart.
 
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