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Subject: Auction - initiate bid rss

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F6 Garfield
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I know it's been asked and answered before but I don't get it.

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If you have won an auction, you are not allowed to bid again in this round. As initiating an auction is actually a bid of eight you can also not initiate an auction this round.
The spirit of the rule is that each player has a chance to walk away with a set of extra asset tokens. But in my experience this is completly the opposite and the basic rules are far more damaging then the intense auction variant.

4 players at start of autcion phase
player A: 8 gold
player B: 12 gold
player C: 10 gold
player D: 11 gold

player A starts initiating an auction .. 8 gold
player B bids 11 gold .. wins (no one can over bid him)

player B can not initiate an acution (has just won one)

player C initiates auction: bid 10 gold
player D bids 11 gold -> wins

player D can not initiate an auction .. has just won.


result: player A and player C can not buy asset tokens.


In my last session I had this happen twice in a row to me with results in a game that when you're down you're even pushed further down ... you lose an asset token at the end of your event and you can not buy new ones .. twice in row .. practically game over ..

So either we play it wrong or something is wrong in the rules.
 
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You are playing it wrong.

Player A continues to initiate auctions until he wins one or chooses to pass. Then the markets are refilled and the next suitable player kicks off an auction. So to use your example:

Player A starts initiating an auction .. 8 gold
Player B bids 11 gold .. wins

Player A starts a new auction with one of the remaining four markets .. 8 gold
No one else bids so Player A wins

Markets are refilled.

Player B cannot initiate an auction so it moves on to Player C.

Player C initiates auction: bid 10 gold
player D bids 11 gold -> wins

Player C can now essentially buy one of the remaining four markets for 8 gold as no one else is able to bid.

Every player is guaranteed to get exactly one set of asset tokens as long as he doesn't pass when it is his turn to initiate an auction.

Edit: expanded example and corrected spelling.
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F6 Garfield
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Thank you ... this makes more sense as base rules.

 
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What happens if you pass?

I have played this game twice and am always annoyed when I have to (?) initiate an auction when there is nothing that I want available. If you pass, is there a chance of better lots being drawn from the bag, that you can then bid on later?
 
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manukajoe wrote:
What happens if you pass?

I have played this game twice and am always annoyed when I have to (?) initiate an auction when there is nothing that I want available. If you pass, is there a chance of better lots being drawn from the bag, that you can then bid on later?

If you pass your opportunity to initiate a bid, that is exactly what happens, you pass on ability to start any auctions and do not get it back this turn. You may still bid on auctions initiated by players afterward. See page 5 (V) of the rule book.
 
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Hugin wrote:
manukajoe wrote:
What happens if you pass?

I have played this game twice and am always annoyed when I have to (?) initiate an auction when there is nothing that I want available. If you pass, is there a chance of better lots being drawn from the bag, that you can then bid on later?

If you pass your opportunity to initiate a bid, that is exactly what happens, you pass on ability to start any auctions and do not get it back this turn. You may still bid on auctions initiated by players afterward. See page 5 (V) of the rule book.


So supposing I am going first, and there's no lots that interest me (say I desperately need a ship and there are none), so I pass on my chance to initiate, then I fail to win any auctions initiated by other players (which may result in new lots being added to the auction), I am not allowed to initiate a final auction even if I am the only person left?

This is the problem I had with the game, the auction draw can really screw you if the thing you want is just not there.

I suppose you could try to grab something someone else needs even more desperately and then try to do a trade with them?
 
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manukajoe wrote:
I suppose you could try to grab something someone else needs even more desperately and then try to do a trade with them?


Yes, that or look very carefully at what everyone else has, and initiate an auction on something that you're sure someone else wants.
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