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I submitted a picture I took of the Tomb of Suleiman the Magnificent and submitted it to the Here I Stand gallery (GREAT game, BTW). This is the pic:

When it was declined I was not surprised. The reasons given were "Irrelevant" and "Wrong Category." I'd submitted it under the "People" category, as this was the best correlate for the limited options provided (after all, there are putatively the remains of a person in there, right?)

How do people feel about this? Not to disappoint anybody, but I'm not upset at all, and don't really care one way or the other. I can see the argument that no one wants to see pictures of sheep in the Catan and so on, but it's a bit funny to say the pic is completely irrelevant. This is because HIS, like most wargames, is based on historical events, and Suleiman played a huge role in that era of history (and plays a huge role in the game). Furthermore, wargamers in general are very interested in history, and are often very interested in the connection between the games they play and the people and events that surround the game's setting. In other words, I bet that there are lots of HIS players who would be interested in seeing a picture that is very relevant to the history behind the game.

I guess it really comes down to a maximalist vs. minimalist argument about what should go in the game galleries. I'm firmly of the maximalist argument, and I love pics that are not simply of components, but rater show something a bit tangential to the game, such as people playing it. If storage space isn't a problem, what's the harm of letting a thousand flowers bloom, especially when the "Hot" link will summon the pics that are judged to be the best by individual users?
 
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Not relevant.

This is why Aldie created personal galleries.

Now if you had a picture of someone *holding* a Here I Stand game box while standing next to the Tomb, you might sneak it in under Creative / People.
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I can see where you're coming from, and maybe under Creative with a good caption it would have gone through (I didn't mod it, so maybe you had a great caption). I tend to agree that it's really more suitable for your personal gallery, though.
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I don't really get the "personal gallery" argument. So he puts it into his gallery, I visit the game page, and I have no clue that this photo exists in his gallery. Not even a way to search for it. It may as well be framed and hanging on his wall for all the good it does to anyone else.

It should be either in the game gallery, or not. Personally galleries are not a substitute.

Personally, I lean to inclusion rather than exclusion, and it's tangentially related enough for me. That's why the categories exist, if you want to ignore the tangential stuff hit the "Game" only photos link.
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The problem is with search costs. To my knowledge, we don't currently have a good way to content / quality search photos (tags are too inconsistent in my opinion). So, the more tangentially related photos in a gallery the higher the search costs in using the gallery and consequently the less useful the gallery as a whole.

Hence, for now, I support a more minimalist position. Change the tech and I'll change the position.
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UnknownParkerBrother wrote:
I don't really get the "personal gallery" argument. So he puts it into his gallery, I visit the game page, and I have no clue that this photo exists in his gallery. Not even a way to search for it. It may as well be framed and hanging on his wall for all the good it does to anyone else.

It should be either in the game gallery, or not. Personally galleries are not a substitute.

Personally, I lean to inclusion rather than exclusion, and it's tangentially related enough for me. That's why the categories exist, if you want to ignore the tangential stuff hit the "Game" only photos link.
Yeah, this was sort of my take on it as well, but, as another poster pointed out, maybe the thing to do is a forum post with the relevant links to my gallery.
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Yeah, this was sort of my take on it as well, but, as another poster pointed out, maybe the thing to do is a forum post with the relevant links to my gallery.


Suppose so, but instead of adding a single item to the photos page of a game, we've added one new thread under General. Not really ahead of the game in regards to clutter if you're a person who's ag'in the photo.

Except we've "saved" one geekgold from being handed out during modding.
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The reasons given were "Irrelevant" and "Wrong Category."


Sometimes irrelevant doesnt mean not related but no relevant value.

I pretty much agree with it in this case. Just like I would agree with decline a pictures of nuclear power plants for PowerGrid or a fence for Agricola or a dock inn San Juan for Puerto Rico or a Japanese temple in Iwo for Shogun.

Just because something has some sort of connection to a game doesnt mean I want to see it in a games gallery.
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Interestingly, these not only made it through modding, but are popular enough to be on page 1 out of 9 for Tikal:


So as usual, modding consistency is less than desired.
Personally, I enjoyed seeing the actual temples that the game is based on. Haven't played HIS so can't comment on that.
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Interestingly, these not only made it through modding, but are popular enough to be on page 1 out of 9 for Tikal:


So as usual, modding consistency is less than desired.
Personally, I enjoyed seeing the actual temples that the game is based on. Haven't played HIS so can't comment on that.


    Those images were submitted prior to the invention of the phrase "junking up the site."

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Sagrilarus wrote:
Those images were submitted prior to the invention of the phrase "junking up the site."

Those images are high quality, and even to the typical uneducated modder they look relevant.
 
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Sagrilarus wrote:
Those images were submitted prior to the invention of the phrase "junking up the site."

Those images are high quality, and even to the typical uneducated modder they look relevant.


I am going to use Suleiman's tomb to model my new role playing game "Zombies of the Ottoman Empire." zombie

Oh and they only eat the brains of infidels too.
 
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Oh and they only eat the brains of infidels too.

Before or after the infidels are drawn and quartered?

To the OP,
I only geekmod if I'm VERY bored, but for what it's worth, I would've accepted the image.
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I like it. Cool pic, and I would have appreciated it in the game gallery.
 
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What was the caption?
 
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I would have to say "People" is the wrong category, or allowing for that fact that it is a tomb of a dead person some what obtuse.

Under "Creative" and with an explanatory comment I reckon I would have approved it.
 
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Irrelevant. You could enter dozens if not hundreds of pictures like this for any historical game on the site. I'm looking for images of the game, not a history slideshow. The only time I'd consider approving something like this might be for a wargame entirely focused on a single, specific terrain feature (like a battle for a hill, perhaps). Then it might be interesting to have a single picture showing the real-life battlefield to get some context. But for Here I Stand? The game has a dozen or so leaders and tons of interesting historical events. Why is Suleiman's tomb more notable than any of the other hundred or so other historical images you could find?
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    You can sign me up for the history sideshow. Caption appropriately please.

    Unfortunately, the angle the photo was taken at makes it difficult to discern what you're looking at. Best guess is you didn't bring a 12-foot ladder with you on vacation, which would have made for a better shot. Something to consider on your next trip to Europe.

    Had I modded this I would have rejected simply because it's a tough-luck photo. I have no problem with the concept, merely the execution.

    There are some magnificent photos on the site of Alhambra and Tikal and I think the games' pages are better for it. If the photo captures the imagination, it should be in.

    Unfortunately, I think there's more than a few Bots, both software and liveware, stomping on the decline button and issuing a random excuse why. Were someone to forbid the auction of geek gold for cash for a month or two it might have an effect on what is accepted and what is not.

             Sag.


 
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A few weeks ago I created a thread in the Here I Stand forums for my pictures. They are also in my Gallery, captions and all. Note that Ed Beach, the creator of Here I Stand, liked the pics.
 
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