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According to the Daily Show you can buy 2000 McDonald's hot apple pies for every American.
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700b is probably not enough for a human mission to Mars that lands there and comes back. Landing a man on Mars is rather achievable, albeit very expensive. Leaving Mars' gravitational pull and returning to Earth? Not all that easy. How do we get the fuel there? Do we try to make it there? If so, how many months/years it would take to make the fuel? How do we make a vehicle that get through the atmosphere and be safe enough to take off again?

700b is a lot of money, but our technology is lacking in so many areas I'd not be confident that such a budget would be enough.
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Perhaps that is enough to purchase Mr. Skeletor's mercy -- doubtful, but perhaps.
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it has been determined that the elements exist to make fuel there on mars to return to low orbit to the main ship that will remain in orbit like our command ship did for Apollo, will be fairly easy, protecting against radiation on the way to and back from mars wall be very costly and a problem they have not worked out yet. food also is an issue.
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We could buy the GDP of Australia.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/...
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Wind Turbines?
Worst form of power there is. Unstable, expensive to maintain, inefficient from a cost to output scale and an eyesore.
Brain I thought you were smarter than that.


I would rather own 1 wind turbine than 2.5 million in
NINJA (No Income, No Jobs, No Assets) loans.


I would just rather own some Ninjas ninja
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Kansas not good considering tornadoes, coastal areas would be better due to constant wind from or out to the sea.
clarify 'unstable" I don't understand that concept.
 
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With $700,000,000,000 we could buy back about 1/14th of the national debt or about 1/8th of the net public debt.

Oh. Um, oops.



edit: how embarrasing, I left off three zeros! OMG
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Who said anything about coming back? I have a few suggestions of astronauts....

hibikir wrote:
700b is probably not enough for a human mission to Mars that lands there and comes back. Landing a man on Mars is rather achievable, albeit very expensive. Leaving Mars' gravitational pull and returning to Earth? Not all that easy. How do we get the fuel there? Do we try to make it there? If so, how many months/years it would take to make the fuel? How do we make a vehicle that get through the atmosphere and be safe enough to take off again?

700b is a lot of money, but our technology is lacking in so many areas I'd not be confident that such a budget would be enough.
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Who said anything about coming back? I have a few suggestions of astronauts....

hibikir wrote:
700b is probably not enough for a human mission to Mars that lands there and comes back. Landing a man on Mars is rather achievable, albeit very expensive. Leaving Mars' gravitational pull and returning to Earth? Not all that easy. How do we get the fuel there? Do we try to make it there? If so, how many months/years it would take to make the fuel? How do we make a vehicle that get through the atmosphere and be safe enough to take off again?

700b is a lot of money, but our technology is lacking in so many areas I'd not be confident that such a budget would be enough.


Heck, send Robots. What is on Mars that really requires a Human Astronaut? You have to bring Humans BACK- if robots crash and burn on re-entry you just send another in, and it doesn't destroy the entire space program.

I mean, I'm a huge fan of the space program, but in terms of actual SCIENCE, we learn a LOT more with robotic probes than we do with astronauts- especially when you compare the costs for even the most expensive of Robotic missions vs. Human ones.

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When responding seriously I'm for sending robots 100%. They do more there for less and for longer.

When not answering seriously, I would suggest my PM and most of Knesset along with Chamas, Fatah and co.
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Darilian wrote:

Heck, send Robots. What is on Mars that really requires a Human Astronaut? You have to bring Humans BACK- if robots crash and burn on re-entry you just send another in, and it doesn't destroy the entire space program.

I mean, I'm a huge fan of the space program, but in terms of actual SCIENCE, we learn a LOT more with robotic probes than we do with astronauts- especially when you compare the costs for even the most expensive of Robotic missions vs. Human ones.
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Hey, I'm with you on this one. Sending robots is much better in the short term. We don't need anything close to 700B to send robots though: You might have heard of a couple of robots called 'Spirit' and 'Opportunity': NASA sent them both for under a billion. For 700 We could send an almighty army of robots, with lasers mounted on their heads
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pwn3d wrote:
Who gives a fuck about Mars? This is a pretty serious financial crisis.


Yah, but talking about Mars is a lot more fun.

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that 2.5 million would come down if you bought in bulk so the price might be quite lower and you would certainly make a new millionaire of the company ceo. Oh wait do we need more of those?

NOT!
the CEO's of Freddie and Fannie should pay money not receive any
No Welfare for the Wealthy, enough is enough, power to the people, I mean if were going to be communist about all this then go all the way and start shooting politicians, and CEO's that the basic quarrel between fascism and communism anyway, Hey would this make a good game?

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If the wind conditions change you lose power. No wind and you get no power. This is why they normally build them on coastlines.


Wind conditions average out so that over a wide area such as a state you rarely get a dip in the power. Maybe where you are, they build windmills on coastlines, but in the USA, the biggest wind potential is away from the coast line and in the mountains. This map shows that the coastal southeast of the US is the worst wind energy site (blue areas), but the plains and the mountains where the land is cheaper (yellow orange red areas) are the best wind energy sites int the US.



In Texas, wind energy accounts for 4% of all the energy used in the state, and it is growing. At $4000 to $5000 per year per turbine, ranchers and farmers are rushing to lease land to get turbines. The production of electricity is outstripping the ability of transmission lines to carry it. You see wind farms growing everywhere, and I see 4 or 5 trucks a day hauling blades on the highway. So at least for Texas, wind is coming on strong.

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Btw, $700 B is the cost for one year in Iraq.
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One of these men says give me $700 Billion dollars or your economy will explode. Guess which one.

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MrSkeletor wrote:
Wind Turbines?
Worst form of power there is. Unstable, expensive to maintain, inefficient from a cost to output scale and an eyesore.
Brain I thought you were smarter than that.

Right, because this is certainly not an eyesore

or this


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MrSkeletor wrote:
Wind Turbines?
Worst form of power there is. Unstable, expensive to maintain, inefficient from a cost to output scale and an eyesore.
Brain I thought you were smarter than that.


I actually think there's something really cool looking about wind farms. It's like a whole new type of landscape. One of the few man-made landscapes that I enjoy looking at!
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Turbines are useless if the wind doesn't blow... which happens quite a bit. I think the best thing to do is to build a giant solar array in the USA's southwestern deserts. They might already be doing this... Anyone know more about it?
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You'd pretty much have to turn all of Nevada into a solar farm to generate sufficient electricity from solar right now. Efficiency is improving, but it's still not the most effective way of producing energy.

Personally, I think that the "real green" initiative should focus more on local generation or conservation. Instead of building a massive solar plant, encourage folks to green up at the local level and reduce demand from the grid. Solar panels on homes, micro-hydro, geothermal heating, etc.

Then you're accomplishing something else that's important to the security of our power system - reducing stress on transmission facilities and the potential for cascading failures like the one that blacked out the northeast US and Canada.

Focusing on locally applicable technologies ultimately should have an economic benefit to the individual, provide "more real" energy independence, and reduces demand at the same time. That turns in to real savings both in money and carbon in the long run. And it lets communities find the best ways to handle the issues in an appropriate manner for the locality in question.

If you've got to haul all the power from a solar farm somewhere, then the cost is unlikely to be palatable due to the additional infrastructure that's required.
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tickmanfan wrote:
Turbines are useless if the wind doesn't blow... which happens quite a bit. I think the best thing to do is to build a giant solar array in the USA's southwestern deserts. They might already be doing this... Anyone know more about it?


From the American Wind Energy Association:
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A wind plant is "fueled" by the wind, which blows steadily at times and not at all at other times. Although modern utility-scale wind turbines typically operate 65% to 90% of the time, they often run at less than full capacity. Therefore, a capacity factor of 25% to 40% is common, although they may achieve higher capacity factors during windy weeks or months.


A list of big wind farms and big solar farms in the US is listed in these articles:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_in_the_United_States
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_power_in_the_United_State...

Edit: fixed link to wind power.
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MrSkeletor wrote:
Wind Turbines?
Worst form of power there is.


Demonstrably untrue.



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hibikir wrote:
700b is probably not enough for a human mission to Mars that lands there and comes back.


Who comes back? When did we start breeding such wussy astronauts?
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