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Recently there's been a lot of talk about how some supporters for Obama are creepy in the level of enthusiasm they have for the candidate. Examples have been:

- getting kids to sing a pro-Obama hymn
- stylized Obama posters reminiscent of Soviet propaganda
- a general sense of undue adoration for a perceived messianic figure.

In response, I offer the following examples of supporters of John McCain from recent rallies:

- In Florida, at a Palin rally, the GOP VP candidate is pushing talking points about Obama being buddy buddy with Bill Ayers. Member of the crowd yells "kill him!"

- At a recent McCain event one man could be heard yelling, "Off with his head,"

- At a Palin rally one Palin supporter shouted a racial epithet at an African American sound man for a network and told him, 'Sit down, boy.'...

- At yet another McCain rally, McCain asked the rhetorical question "who is the real Barack Obama?" to which someone in the crowd responded by yelling: “Terrorist!” The crowd roared.


So I ask you...which is creepier to you?

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Supporters of both can be offensive, ignorant, and brash.
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Both are pretty damn disturbing, although I would say Obama's supporters are creepier and the McCain examples you provide are ignorance/bigotry/hatred. I find solace in neither.

However, I don't know why we would be suprised by this in that (a) one of the candidates is black, and (b) there is still significant racist elements in this country. Of course, some of the "bad seeds of racism" are going to flock to the other guys rallies out of hatred and ignorance.

I find the cultish status of Obama and the manner in which some people who support him as such quite creepy -- why do kids need to sing an Obama song, that is "k-reeeeepy".

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GAWD wrote:
Cptnono wrote:
Supporters of both can be offensive, ignorant, and brash. Next time just come out and say you don't like McCain instead of beating around the bush.


Don't worry ... MMM certainly doesn't hide is partisan leanings.


No doubt

And I don't care for McCain, but that is completely independent of these sentiments of his supporters. I don't attribute the comments of his supporters to him, just as I don't attribute the creepy Obamatrons to Barack.

But I do see a significant difference of degree here. Perhaps it is my partisan leaning, but I think it is one thing to show a strange level of devotion to one's candidate of choice and quite another to direct hateful and threatening language at the opposing candidate. Where one is creepy, the other is borderline dangerous.

Like I said...maybe it's just my left-leaning filter. Am I wrong to cringe at a campaign that is currently focusing on Obama's "otherness" when the supporters of that campaign are responding this way. I just think that's a really bad combination of dynamics...

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I don't see the two as similar Octavian.

There are always wingnuts from every branch of the ideological tree who say dumb shit.

The "creepy" factor revolves around an idoltry based on Obama as a near Messiah of American politics. He is "adored" by the mesmerized Obamites. Singing children and combat fatigued high schoolers shouting out his name (chanting) in unison or singing an ode to his wonderfulness is close to brainwashing... at the very least it's indoctrination of the sort that outspoken atheist liberals attack the Christian Right for doing to their children.

Only it's about a guy from Chicago, not the frickin' Son of God.

Guilt by association?

Even though Obama has no apparent ties to the chanting and hymnals in his name, the turn-off factor is high. And not just for people like me who would never vote for him. Stuff like that either makes your hair stand on end, or it doesn't. If it does, then I count you as intellectually aware and capable of critiquing a candidate for what you perceive as his value rather than for his "aura".

I suspect there will be a lot of noise these last few weeks as the Obama camp ratchets up the volume in an attempt to drown out the Ayers, Wright and Rezko history... possibly even the recent revelations Drew brought up. The "guilt by association" attack on McCain won't work anymore because if Obama wants to associate McCain with Bush then he has to take the heat for his radical/terrorist associations. Outargeous comments shouted at a Palin rally or singing zombie children from Southern California are exactly the sort of thing Obamites would rather have on the radar.

Which all creeps me out even more.
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I think it is worth mentioning in this context the weird support Obama got from Oprah. I recall his rise in prominence coming about the time she starting talking about him in messianic terms. She has her own messianic following that could only help him at that stage in his campaign. That has stuck with him ever since.
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steinley wrote:

However, I don't know why we would be suprised by this in that (a) one of the candidates is black, and (b) there is still significant racist elements in this country.


Woah. Wait a minute. Obama is black??? What the hell. I thought he was mulatto.

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He is "adored" by the mesmerized Obamites. Singing children and combat fatigued high schoolers shouting out his name (chanting) in unison or singing an ode to his wonderfulness is close to brainwashing...


So, I don't know what kind of Obama rallies you're going to, but where I'm from (Detroit) and the rallies that I go to, we get a lot of lower middle class workers coming out with their unions. You know, the people who are getting screwed over by that Socialism for the Wealthiest Bailout? (Which I AM mad at Obama for voting for, yes.) And they/we have a right to be hopeful that a candidate will speak for them. I've yet to see children or high-schoolers in camo (not that I'm even sure what that really matters).

Ahhhh fall. The sweet breeze of political mud-slinging permeates EVERYTHING.
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I've never heard Democrats yell those sorts of things.

But then again, I am a new participant in their party. It does seem antithetical to their message overall though.

The closest thing you might hear is "impeach Bush"...

But I was a Young Republican in college, and campaigned for Reagan, Bush I, Dole, and McCain (Part I--2000)...

It was not uncommon, especially in rural areas, to hear such things.

I'm from a farm town of 3000 folks, moved to Milwaukee in 1998, and have since traveled internationally.

I say that to admit that it took travel to shake off the haze of ingrown attitudes. I live in the inner-city of a troubled town, in a multi-racial neighborhood--and I don't hear those sentiments from minorities, either.

So, don't think the Rev. Wright's of the world speak for minorities as a whole either. That just isn't true.

But I cannot say that I speak for all rural Republicans. All I know is that Obama's speech about fear, guns, and religion is not far from the truth for a significant portion of the folks who live in the rural midwest.

And that's the source of those sorts of cheers: Fear, resentment toward the other, and a distorted sense of what patriotism is...
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The whole "fired up" cultist thing is the reason why I'm no longer involved with the local Obama campaign group. Those people are annoying on both sides, but I fail to see how that has anything to do with the candidates' merits.

Just because some Christians do and believe wacky things doesn't mean "love thy neighbor" isn't a good idea.
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DWTripp wrote:


Even though Obama has no apparent ties to the chanting and hymnals in his name, the turn-off factor is high. And not just for people like me who would never vote for him. Stuff like that either makes your hair stand on end, or it doesn't. If it does, then I count you as intellectually aware and capable of critiquing a candidate for what you perceive as his value rather than for his "aura".




These kinds of statements are especially frustrating for me to read. Simply because I don't buy into the idea that grade schoolers taking part in a misguided and tacky attempt to promote a candidate's campaign are indicators of some evil undercurrent in our society, then I must be an intellectual slug?

And if I am not completely panicked by the knowledge that somewhere there are some high school kids who expressed their desire to emulate Obama's educational achievements through choreographed song and dance, then it must be because I worship at the Obama altar?

And DWTripp, my frustration is not just aimed at your statement (here is where I semi-apologize for venting entirely at you even if that remark kinda pissed me off!), its all the statements I read that reduce anyone who chooses to vote for Obama as only capable of making irrational and emotional decisions in this election. Both candidates have their staunch followers, but a lot of people, regardless of how they ultimately vote, are not completely happy with either candidate.



To the OP: To me, the death threats issue is of too serious a nature to be called creepy. But I also believe that it is a matter that extends beyond politics and enters the realm of national security - I think most people would agree that the assasination of a candidate running for political office would be very bad indeed. However, unless I see concrete proof that the McCain campaign is intentionally stirring the pot of hatred, I do not believe it would be fair to lay that at their feet.

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keenzhal wrote:
However, unless I see concrete proof that the McCain campaign is intentionally stirring the pot of hatred, I do not believe it would be fair to lay that at their feet.



And to be perfectly clear, I am not laying it at the feet of their campaign. I recognize full well that these sentiments would be there regardless of campaign actions. I do see the combination of these sentiments with the McCain campaigns new attack themes as a bad combination, though.

I certainly think it's possible that these yelled comments weren't heard by the candidates themselves. If they were I would hope McCain and Palin would address them.

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Wrayman wrote:
I think it is worth mentioning in this context the weird support Obama got from Oprah. I recall his rise in prominence coming about the time she starting talking about him in messianic terms. She has her own messianic following that could only help him at that stage in his campaign. That has stuck with him ever since.


I say the messiah thing began with this statement by Joe Lieberman in March of 2006:

Quote:
As far as I'm concerned [Barack Obama] is a "Baruch", which means a blessing. He is a blessing to the United States Senate, to America, and to our shared hopes for better, safer tomorrows for all our families. The gifts that God has given to Barack Obama are as enormous as his future is unlimited. As his mentor, as his colleague, as his friend, I look forward to helping him reach to the stars and realize not just the dreams he has for himself, but the dreams we all have for him and our blessed country

By logical extension of my theory Lieberman has turned into a kind of "Judas", and John McCain is more or less the "anti-christ".
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So politics has become religious? Hmm... how surprising.
 
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Ok!

Finally a real conversation rather than the BS talking points that are being spewed about Ayers, Wright and Rezko (all retarded).

Believe it or not I'm gonna side with DW here about the Messiah thing.

I'm handing you mooks (affectionately) something substantial for once.

In Union Square I saw people selling these T-shirts:


The difference is that I think that they are funny, but I understand why people get freaked out about this kind of thing.

Also, totally creepy:
http://yeswecanholdbabies.wordpress.com/

For some reason my wife and all her girlfriends love it.


 
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Funny shirt.

to the OP: I find creepy people being creepy in a over the top happy way ("O looky our savior") less creepy then creepy people being creepy in a negative way ("let's kill the other kandidate")
Has to be the amount of aggression and voilence radiating.

/creepy
 
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