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Tom Stewart
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Wow, what a suprise. I expected to come to the Third Reich page and see only entries from years ago. I'm glad to see TR is still being played.

I own TR, 2nd edition. I was planning to sell this, as well as my copies of Starship Troopers and Wooden Ships/Iron Men. I have Europe Engulfed and have played it several times. My initial thoughts were that EE has sort of replaced TR, but upon reflection i'm not sure about that. It seems that TR could have some advantages due to more maneuver room, different attack options (attrition, offensive), etc. I have really never played TR (other than one or two partial games 20 years ago).

So my question to you veterans is how does TR stand up to EE, or any other more modern games of SIMILIAR SCALE AND PLAYTIME (I assume they take about the same length of time to play - 10-15 hours for campaign game). Does TR offer anything they don't, is it bogged down with unclear rules or broken mechanics, is TR worth keeping?

THanks.

..Oh yeah, is TR worth playing with 3-5 players? I would really like to find a quality multiplayer wargame, it'd be great if I already had it!
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for all questions above, 2nd ed can go out the window. Adv 3r is pretty good on all accounts as a multi-player game. Some would call it outdated but I still have a spot for it. As compared to EE... *shrug*
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My main comparison would be World War II: Barbarossa to Berlin which I disliked for being too restrictive and gamey (check my review for further details: http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/198736). I know Hitler's War and Axis & Allies: Europe aren't the same level of complexity as TR but I felt even more let down by those titles. TR is a classic and in my book hasn't been surpassed although I haven't played Europe Engulfed, Advanced Third Reich, or Totaler Krieg!.
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I also believe that the 2nd edition (which had fatal flaws) is best used for parts. It can be replaced rather easily with a 4th edition version. I have tried Advanced Third Reich and John Prados' Third Reich - IMHO neither is as good as the 4th edition of the game. Too much tinkering with the CRT (to include replacing it with a "lets roll multiple dice" system. Third Reich 4th edition is the way to go with 2 or 3 players - it gets tiresome for the 4th and 5th players after a time....
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Richard Diffenderfer
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"A World at War" is the latest version of the game -- the successor to "Advanced Third Reich" and "Rising Sun" And it is played constantly by scores and scores of players. There's even a free dedicated software program so you can play it by email. ("Warplanner"). There are two Yahoo discussion groups, one each dedicated to both the game and the software PBEM model. It is an awesome game. WIDELY playtested and revised constantly over years and thousands and thousands of actual games. http://www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/7614
 
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Richard Diffenderfer
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Despite the colossal rulebook and tons of new stuff, anyone who's every played the original "Third Reich" will immediately recognize it in "A World at War." The core system is the same...The counters look virtually identical to this day... (German 4-6 armor and 3-3 infantry units, "breakthrough and exploitation" on the Russian front, American 5-6 armor and 3-4 infantry, minor countries with their 1-3 infantry units, tracking "BRPs," paying 15 BRPs to launch "offensive options," "strategic redeployment," etc. etc.)
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Tom Stewart
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Thanks for your comments. So what is the difference between the 2nd and 4th editions? Is the mapboard the same, were more units added to the game, or was it just some rule changes?
I'm suprised that no one made a comparison between TR and EE...
 
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I downloaded the 4th Edition Rules from The Wargame Academy from the link on the BGG 3R page. is that the 4th edition everyone is talking about?

I have not played 3R in ages. Theses discussion make me want to get it out and play it.
 
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Rodrigo Yanez
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yes that is the 4th edition everyone's talking about, though it has a few minor typos or unclear passages (nothing major). i think it's missing the designer's and historical notes from the earlier editions.
but definitely the 4th edition is the way to go for clarity and playability it seems.
 
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