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I had some free time today between sales calls so I thought I would stop by the game store nearby to "look". Well of course I walk in and they are having a day after election sale. All the boardgames where 15% off. So now I just have to buy to take advantage of the savings. The first thing I notice is that they just gt in was Agricola. I've heard the hype and it is now #1 but not sure about it. The other game I've been itching to purchase is A Touch of Evil, The Supernatural Game. Really like Arkham Horror but the wife does not like the three hours it takes to play so I thought this would be great for the two of us. So which one to buy. I only had $100 of mad money to buy so both was out of the question. Give me your reasons as well. I'll let you guys know which one I walked out with tomorrow.





Poll: Agricola or A Touch of Evil, The Supernatural Game
Which of the two games would you purchase if you had to choose just one?
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As someone who has both and avidly loves Arkham Horror, let me say Agricola.

First, AToE is NOT Arkham lite. I thought it was and desperately wanted it to be, but it's much more of a light Munchkin-y romp of "grab a billion items and kill the bad guy" rather than "oh god oh god we're all gonna die," which is more what Arkham is. Its cooperative game is a bit tacked-on feeling; it's really first and foremost a competitive "get there first" sort of game. And even after five or six plays I'm finding that its replay value is already a bit waning, unlike Arkham which still feels exciting.

Agricola, on the other hand, doesn't feel old yet, is incredibly good as a play-with-your-partner sort of game, and is much more unique and less "me too" feeling than AToE.

Bottom line: I'd buy Agricola again, no question. If I could do it again, I probably would NOT have bought AToE. I'm not getting rid of it anytime soon, but I could've gotten something better for that money, I think.
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Most people here would say Agricola but Atouch of evil has its own appeal. Just buy what look good to you I'm sure both are good games.
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Agricola pays for itself in the solo game replayability alone!!
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Well, I'll speak up for the other side, even though I'm pretty sure I'm by far the minority. I wanted A Touch of Evil to be sort of Arkham Horror lite too, and I think it succeeded brilliantly. It may not be as expandable as AH, but it's easier to set up and quicker by quite a bit.

I'd disagree with the comparison to Munchkin. In Munchkin, you're pretty much trying to screw with your opponents the entire game. In ATOE, you're investigating the town elders, gathering "clue" tokens, buying items, and gearing up for the final showdown with the bad guy. There aren't as many monsters to fight as AH and the bad guys aren't as tough, but it's similar to AH. The main thing is that (unless playing co-op) you're racing your opponents, and not the game.

For me (and I realize it's not the norm):
1. Theme is great for AToE. Farming just doesn't grab me.
2. Price of Agicola is higher that of AToE
3. Bits and board are nicer (IMO) in AToE
4. AToE is fun for me. Agricola just sounds like work.

I'm just not that into brain-burners, and mostly play games to relax and have fun. Not that Agricola isn't relaxing and fun for others. It sounds like a great game. Maybe I'll even get it someday.
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Given the way you phrased the question, go for A Touch of Evil. It's clear you want it more.
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UnknownParkerBrother wrote:
Given the way you phrased the question, go for A Touch of Evil. It's clear you want it more.


Indeed: "I've heard the hype and it is now #1 but not sure about it. The other game I've been itching to purchase is A Touch of Evil, The Supernatural Game."

Hmm, there's a game I'm not sure about, and another game I've been itching to purchase. Which should I buy? It's so hard!
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heinrichsteven wrote:
Agricola pays for itself in the solo game replayability alone!!


A Touch of Evil plays great solo as well.

As someone who loves Arkham Horror: I hate Agricola. Then again, I don't like most euros. A touch of Evil is a good game, but indeed it's not Arkham Horror lite. Still, it's an adventure and a story just like Arkham, where Agricola is simply a movement of some wooden blocks.

Looking at your game ratings: you will probably like both.
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Kwakkie wrote:
A touch of Evil is a good game, but indeed it's not Arkham Horror lite. Still, it's an adventure and a story just like Arkham, where Agricola is simply a movement of some wooden blocks.

To say a eurogame is "simply a movement of some wooden blocks" is absurd reductionism that ignores the meaning and motivation behind the block movement. One could just as well caricature "Eurogames have strategy and tactics, where Arkham Horror is simply movement of some cardboard pieces and drawing cards."

Anything can be caricatured as its mere physical representation if you want to ignore the meaning and enjoyment people associate with the activity. "Sex is just...", well you get the idea.
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I didn't refer to euros in general when talking about the moving of blocks, but I referred to Agricola in particular. And that's just how it feels to me.

I'll put it this way: imagine I've played a game in my FLGS and when I get home my wife asks me how it went.

when I played Agricola I'd say: "x won and I managed to get y points".
When I played Arkham (or a Touch of Evil would be similar), I'd say: "I was the PI and we had to take on Hastur. We had some problems with the monsters and it was hard to get enough clues to seal the gates. In the end Kate was lucky enough to seal the last gate."

Not sure if this clear things up though...

It's not that Agricola is a bad game. But for me, there simply isn't much fun in it. It feels like work, not like entertainment. Looking at the poll a lot of people will disagree with me, so I'll shut up before this turns into something nasty.
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"I had two children and I was able to mostly feed my family by slaughtering sheep in my upgraded oven. As the forester I had plenty of wood so I was able to build a lot of animal pens..."

etc etc. I've only played Agricola a couple of times. I'm sure I could produce a better description if I'd played more, but one could certainly describe the "story" of your farmer family pitted against starvation.

In any case, I don't really find enjoyment of a game to be tightly related to how good a story I can tell about it afterwards. One could usually tell a pretty good story about a Talisman game (well, you might have to excise a couple "and then I passed by the village again and was unable to stop so had to turn around and try again the next day"), but that doesn't stop the game from being slightly more interesting than The Game of Life (another one you could make into a reasonably compelling "story").
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It was a difficult decision to make. In the end I went for Agricola. I figured with Arkham Horror and all the expansions that should satisfy my monster killing itch when I need it. I can always play it solo if my wife doesn’t want to invest the time in a game. Agricola seems to get great reviews by those that play it and I also figured it would be good for the family. My 6 and 8 year old daughters are really getting into board games and enjoy playing Zooloretto, and Settlers with a little help. I also figured A Touch of Evil is something more affordable as a Christmas present.

And as I was checking out they had a bunch of copies of the different Dungoneer games on the counter so I grabbed one of these on impulse.
 
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