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Please post actual quotations (or as close as possible) of liberals engaged in hateful speech so that we liberals can defend or criticize them. I'll get it started.

Charles Karel Bouley, San Francisco DJ, live on air wrote:
I want mother fucking Joe the plumber dead.

I think this was a horrible thing to say, and has no context whatsoever to justify it. As a radio host of a talk show, he absolutely qualifies as a member of the media, and it is fair to hold him up as an example of hateful speech. While I can't agree the DJ was actually "calling for the death" of Joe, I can say that he has a responsibility to not say things that can be so easily construed that way.

Jon Stewart, Comedian and Pseudo Pundit, live on stage wrote:
Fuck you.

As a direct response to an indirect insult made by Governor Palin, it was unnecessarily insulting and vulgar. Jon Stewart lives in a gray area that makes it hard to dismiss what he says as simply comedy or to embrace it as news. I have already said Jon should apologize for how he said it or declare it was comedy and move on. His response was to push the comment more to the side of comedy. Hey, I'm okay that Vice President Cheney told Senator Leahy to go fuck himself, too: I can see how Leahy deserved it from Cheney's perspective.

Sandra Bernhard, Comedienne, live on stage wrote:
[Second-hand quote:] Bernhard warned Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin that she would be gang-raped by Bernhard's "big black brothers" if she visited Manhattan.

Beyond any sense of proportion to Governor Palin's indirect insult. It was insulting to Governor Palin and black men. The only defense I can argue here is for liberal media, not Sandra; it is completely unfair to label her as a member of the media in the same way we can straight-up label Bill O'Reilly or obliquely label Jon stewart.
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Aetheros wrote:
Jon Stewart, Comedian and Pseudo Pundit, live on stage wrote:
Fuck you.

As a direct response to an indirect insult made by Governor Palin, it was unnecessarily insulting and vulgar. Jon Stewart lives in a gray area that makes it hard to dismiss what he says as simply comedy or to embrace it as news. I have already said Jon should apologize for how he said it or declare it was comedy and move on. His response was to push the comment more to the side of comedy. Hey, I'm okay that Vice President Cheney told Senator Leahy to go fuck himself, too: I can see how Leahy deserved it from Cheney's perspective.


I'm inclined to put this on the comedy side for two reasons. First, Stewart has repeatedly said that he is not a news reporter, he is a comedian. When he took over The Daily Show there was a definite shift away from doing "the fake news" to doing extended routines about the news.

Second, if his interviews are an indication he would never say that to her face. Not because he doesn't have the balls but because he's interested in an actual dialogue. When people with whom he disagrees are across the desk from him he will disagree strenuously, but he always lets them speak their piece and stays away from ad hominems. For example, check out his interview with Ann Coulter.

The other two quotes are not cool. No excuse.
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Aetheros wrote:
Sandra Bernhard, Comedienne, live on stage wrote:
[Second-hand quote:] Bernhard warned Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin that she would be gang-raped by Bernhard's "big black brothers" if she visited Manhattan.

Beyond any sense of proportion to Governor Palin's indirect insult. It was insulting to Governor Palin and black men. The only defense I can argue here is for liberal media, not Sandra; it is completely unfair to label her as a member of the media in the same way we can straight-up label Bill O'Reilly or obliquely label Jon stewart.


I wouldn't take anything Sandra Bernhard says as representative of anything, liberal, comedic, or otherwise. But joking about rape is tasteless and hardly what I would expect from a self-proclaimed feminist.
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I didn't see the clip, but Jon Stewart doesn't strike me as the hateful type.

The other two are just inexcusable. Gang rape, is that something to be proud of?
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Aetheros wrote:
...so that we liberals...


You're a liberal? You seem pretty moderate based on the few posts of yours I've read.
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jarredscott78 wrote:
Aetheros wrote:
...so that we liberals...


You're a liberal? You seem pretty moderate based on the few posts of yours I've read.


I'd call myself a moderate, but on RSP I'm definitely "liberal." I've even been called a socialist.
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What is the point of making this a Liberal vrs Conservative issue?
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I think it's an effort to demonstrate that we hate stupid speech regardless of source. Sort of "defanging" the "liberals never criticize each other" myth.
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Stewart did have one of the best lines ever during the campaigns.

In a sit down with Mike Huckabee, he listened while Mr Huckabee went on about how McCain is going to change the Govt., fix all the problems we have had and make life better.

Stewart responded with the line

"So Governor, are you saying the only people who can save us from the mistakes of the Republican party is the ........... Republican party?"

Gov. Huckabee had to think about that for a second or two.
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So far it seems all you liberals are interested in is defending Jon Stewart and saying that some DJ in California was out of line.

I'm beginning to feel like I was right a couple of years ago in thinking that the most uninformed and unobservant people in America are Liberals. Either that, or you have a different definition of attack rhetoric and hate talk than me.

Since all 3 Liberals mentioned so far are composed of 2 comedians and a DJ... let's start with other people who are no conseqeunce and usually, like the three mentioned, of no great intelligence:

Rosie O'Donnel? How did you miss that one?

Alex Baldwin? You're kidding, you haven't heard his crap?

George Clooney? Same crap, better worded.

The list of singers, actors and comedians pushing each other aside to exclaim how evil conservatives are, how ill-intentioned Bush has been, how the war has proved we are nothing but a nation of occupying murderers is so long and boring that we really ought to stick with politicians like John Murtha and John Kerry for our best examples of how damaging, how hateful and how wrong people who are supposed to be above the slime of political comedy can be.

Shit, nobody even mentioned that creepy twerp Bill Maher... what's wrong with youse guys? How are you ever going to convince anyone you're above it all and really the fair & balanced ones if you can't recall even one of the thousands of examples that have steadily and endlessly occured on national TV and on the radio for the last 8 years.

Gimme a break. How do you defend a whack-job like Rosie?

Not being a fan of talk radio and having purposely avoided the bulk of the popular media's coverage of the recent election I will admit that I don't have an example from... yesterday! But no doubt if I immersed myself into the seedy underbelly of broadcast news, AM radio and cable television I could probably come away each day with several choice examples... maybe even scores of them.
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Fuck you.
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I agree about rosie o'donnell and Bill Maher. But I don't have any quotes from them.

Keith Olbermann is a partisan hack as well.
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Ok, so give us some quotes. That was the subject of the thread. Aetheros said, "Post some actual quotes and let liberals respond/defend/condemn." He posted some. Liberals defended Stewart and said the other two are out of line. Seems like you're getting mad that liberals aren't bashing the guys you thought of.

Without quotes, in general I think O'Donnell is an ass for a number of reasons. Alex [sic] Baldwin can be kinda douchy, Clooney a little less so, I like Bill Maher in general although he says some incredibly stupid things...quite often, honestly. But I like him because I think he's funny.

But Stewart's not intelligent? I think even if you hate the guy you have to admit he's a really smart guy.

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How are you ever going to convince anyone you're above it all and really the fair & balanced ones if you can't recall even one of the thousands of examples that have steadily and endlessly occured on national TV and on the radio for the last 8 years.


Because we're biased for the left. We tend not to remember stupid things "our side" says and to remember the stupid things the "other guys" say. And we tend to defend and vilify accordingly. You're probably biased the other way. Let's move on.

EDITS: Grammar.
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ALERT! Crazy liberal found not actually to be crazy, just stupid.

Tim Robbins: NOT a victim of vast right-wing conspiracy
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Starting about a month before Election Day, I started listening to right-wing talk radio on a daily basis. NPR was getting old, and started reporting on bizarre side-issues, like prisons, nuclear silos, and the like (oftentimes in a voice with a clear speech impediment, which began annoying me), and I thought I would find something else to fill that morning drive time. In doing so, I discovered something interesting: I could tolerate it.

To be more honest, I could tolerate MOST of it. The guy doing the morning show wasn't so much a Republican as much as he was a Constitutionalist (he even admitted to voting for that party after the election), and he tended to make as much fun of the wack-o wingnuts who called in as much as I would have. During the drive home, Bill O'Reilly was on, and I found myself agreeing with him, about 15% of the time. This was a surprise to me, but I'm not ashamed to admit it.

One day, though, I caught Rush Limbaugh as I was driving to get some lunch, and that man sounded like one of the callers on the morning show. He was spouting some conspiracy theory nonsense, was encouraging the partisanship that started a lot of this ill-will, and was flat-out abusive to the folks who were calling in to his show. I don't understand how that man still has a show, especially after his drug controversy of a few years ago. But hey, Ted Stevens got re-elected, as did Marion Berry (twice!) so apparently I don't know much about politics.

I think it's good to take a closer look at the other side, and even acknowledge when they make a good point. I think it's equally important to decry those on your own side who start to sound or act like a wingnut. But until I know the entire context of John Stewart's comment, I can't really judge him for it. I remember how passionate he was when he gave his first monologue following 9/11, so it's hard for me to imagine that he made that comment unprovoked.
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DWTripp wrote:
I'm beginning to feel like I was right a couple of years ago in thinking that the most uninformed and unobservant people in America are Liberals. Either that, or you have a different definition of attack rhetoric and hate talk than me.


I think "I'm beginning to feel like I was right a couple of years ago in thinking that the most uninformed and unobservant people in America are Liberals." qualifies as "hate talk". Do we have different definitions?
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Gen Speaks Out wrote:
See? We need more positive, good-natured dialogue like this.


You mean as opposed to Andy's comment"

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Fuck you.
Last edited on 2008-11-11 15:09:48 CST (Total Number of Edits: 1)


You'll note, he had to edit the two most common words I heard spoken during my extended stay in England.

Jon Stewart - No, for the person who rhetorically asked, I don't think Jon Stewart is particularly intelligent. And he's not very funny to me. I'm certain he has great writers and no doubt he's a wonderful person for mugging the camera for the pre-primed knowing laughter of the fan-based audience. As I've said in RSP before, Stewart has basically one joke and he just puts a different person or tape on in each segment and then makes the joke.

Isaac - See why I don't listen to talk radio? It's the same repititive dialog day after day. In Limbaugh's case I have to assume he's saying exactly what he said in 1994 when my dad tuned him in daily at the game store.

I'm as big a critic of inflammatory verbage from the conservative side of the fence as I am of the same crap from the liberal side. None of it moves anyone forward. All the same... it's important to make the distinction between what some may call "hateful" and what may actually be true. That was one thing Obama's puppet-masters were excellent at... they managed to turn almost every troubling fact about him into something dull people just decided was hateful. And they called Reagan the Teflon President? Okay, then Obama is the Teflon President Elect, complete with his newly minted unofficial Seal of Pre-office and hijacked .gov website.
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Tripp wrote about O'Donnell, Baldwin and Clooney being examples of people who are liberal and engaged in attacks on conservatives. Yes, they are. Having spent a few minutes looking for negative quotes, I was able to find some. None, however, that stoop to the level of rape and premeditated murder (which I think was the case in the quotes by Bernhard and Bouley).

Here's the most inflammatory quote from George Clooney that I could find:
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First and foremost is the idea that we're going to kill a lot innocent people, that's what we're going to do. That's what we did before and it's what we're going to do again. And, the truth is, we're going to go in and negotiate with North Korea because they have a bomb, because we don't want to get involved in a fight that could result in a real problem.

Now, I don't think he was saying that Bush was going to intentionally kill innocent people. It's just a fact that when there's a war, innocent people get killed. And Clooney didn't think that the reasons for going to war justified the number of innocent people who were going to die as a result of the war.

I would be interested in seeing more of what Tripp calls "hateful" quotes from O'Donnell, Baldwin and Maher.
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lizardbaby wrote:
DWTripp wrote:
I'm beginning to feel like I was right a couple of years ago in thinking that the most uninformed and unobservant people in America are Liberals. Either that, or you have a different definition of attack rhetoric and hate talk than me.


I think "I'm beginning to feel like I was right a couple of years ago in thinking that the most uninformed and unobservant people in America are Liberals." qualifies as "hate talk". Do we have different definitions?


No, we don't. You simply have misdefined "hate" talk. In fact, if that really is your personal redefining of the term, then I'd have to say it's so broad and casts such a wide net that a counter person at the sandwich shop could be accused of hate talk if they wrinkle their nose when you order mayo on your pastrami & rye.
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drunkenKOALA wrote:
I didn't see the clip, but Jon Stewart doesn't strike me as the hateful type.

Briefly, Stewart was reacting (IIRC) to Palin saying it was good to be in one of the "pro-America parts of the country". Stewart strongly reacted to the idea that there is only one approved way of being patriotic, and anyone deviating from that true path didn't really love this country.
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Jatoha wrote:

Keith Olbermann is a partisan hack as well.

And I love him.
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DWTripp wrote:
How do you defend a whack-job like Rosie?


If guns kill people, then spoons made Rosie O'Donnell fat.

(that was a bumper sticker I saw one day)
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Obviously, this is the first step to demonstrate that Right Wing 'hate' speech is 'doubleplus' 'hateful' compared to more mild, and well thought out, Left Wing 'true' speech.

Since the source of all this 'hatespeech' is on Conservative Talk Radio, its clear that in order to combat hatespeech, and promote 'truespeech', we'll have to re-impose the Fairness Doctrine on Talk Radio in order to MAKE SURE that 'hatespeech' is confined, and 'truespeech' is protected.

However, since the Main Stream Media is clearly promoting 'truespeech' in the recent election, we won't need to impose the Fairness Doctrine THERE. Only on the doubleplus hateful hatespeech of Conservative Talk Radio.

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So then, Darillian and Tripp... quotes?
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Aetheros wrote:

Jon Stewart, Comedian and Pseudo Pundit, live on stage wrote:
Fuck you.



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