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Björn Hansson
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Well I have already made a poll about BGG users and their Go rank. Here's another one. Let's find out more about our fellow BGG users and their Go habits!

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1. Is Go your all-time favorite game?
Yes, definitely
No, but it's in my top-ten
No, but I still enjoy it
No, not at all
2. On average, how often do you play Go (online, face-to-face, versus A.I. etc.)
Several times a day
Several times a week
Several times a month
Several times a year
Once a year (or less)
3. Are you a member of a Go club?
Yes
No, but I would like to be
No, I don't want to
4. Have you taken / Do you take Go lessons? (From someone who is good enough to charge you for it)
Yes
No, but I would like to
No, not interested
5. Do you read books about Go?
Yes, everyday
Yes, occasionally
No, but I would like to
No, not interested
6. In one year from now my Go rank will most likely...
have increased significantly
have increased slightly
be the same as it is today
have decreased
7. In your own opinion, what's your biggest weakness in Go?
Too greedy
Too afraid of stronger opponents
Too passive
Not good enough at judging life & death
Too agressive
Unfocused, hard to concentrate on the game
The entire game is too overwhelming!
8. In my opinion, the fastest way for a beginner to improve his Go skills is to (you may only pick one!)
Get a teacher
Read a few books about Go
Play a lot of games
9. What other abstract games would you recommend to your fellow Go players? (multiple answers possible)
Blokus
Checkers
Chess
The Project GIPF games
Hex
Hive
Ingenious
Khet
Othello
Quoridor
Shogi
XiangQi
None of the above
10. How precious is Go to you? If you had to choose between these two options:
I would never play any other game except for Go for the rest of my life
I would play every game in the world except for Go for the rest of my life
11. Just how hooked are you? Pick one of the following
A unique hand made floor Goban made from a 500 year old Kaya tree by a master artisan, together with genuine Clam & Shell stones of any size. Plus free real-life lessons in Asia for a year with Go Seigen & Cho Chihun.
A brand new Ferrari of your choice with free driving lessons given by Michael Schumacher at the Monza race track in Italy.
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I have been a member of a go club in the past, but am not currently a member of one.

I didn't think Go Seigen was alive any more.
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dagibbs wrote:
I didn't think Go Seigen was alive any more.


Well, that's not really a problem when it comes to Go. Check out that Animee thingy, Hakuri no Go or whatever it's called...
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ἄνδρα μοι ἔννεπε, μοῦσα, πολύτροπον, ὃς μάλα πολλὰ/ πλάγχθη, ἐπεὶ Τροίης ἱερὸν πτολίεθρον ἔπερσεν./...
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I picked the Go-ban etc over the Ferrari because I can'tdrive but I would also recommend the tafl games to Go players above any you mention because the logic is related MUCH more strongly to that of Go than in any of the games listed.
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I can drive, but cars are an ecological and lifestyle disaster in my opinion, and I would not want the Ferrari. Expensive cars are particularly wasteful... I'm usually happy avoiding cars. A year of go lessons from some go masters would be far more appealing to me.

The "weakness" question left out many possibilities. I would have answered "the opening" or "lack of joseki knowledge". Other common complaints I've seen are "mid-game fighting" and "endgame calculation".

There are indeed other go-like games I'd recommend to Go players as well. E.g. Through the Desert and Cathedral.
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russ wrote:
The "weakness" question left out many possibilities. I would have answered "the opening" or "lack of joseki knowledge". Other common complaints I've seen are "mid-game fighting" and "endgame calculation".



I agree. More weakness options would have been nice. Mea culpa. Note to self: Do not make polls with one hand and put children to bed with the other.
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I find it interesting that the majority of participants suggest playing a lot of games to get better. I voted for the book. Attack & Defense alone added at least 4 stones for me. But I recognize that everyone is different.
 
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I'd not get much extra enjoyment of the Ferrari over my current car, especially being stuck in the boring roads of Missouri. Lessons from MS would be nice, but a Goban trumps it. It's a work of art that can be enjoyed for generations.
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Severian596 wrote:
I find it interesting that the majority of participants suggest playing a lot of games to get better. I voted for the book. Attack & Defense alone added at least 4 stones for me. But I recognize that everyone is different.


There's some books that are great. I've gained a lot of strength from them. But without serious practice it's hard to put it all together.
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taragalinas wrote:
russ wrote:
The "weakness" question left out many possibilities. I would have answered "the opening" or "lack of joseki knowledge". Other common complaints I've seen are "mid-game fighting" and "endgame calculation".



I agree. More weakness options would have been nice. Mea culpa. Note to self: Do not make polls with one hand and put children to bed with the other.


Perhaps it would be wise not to put children to bed with one hand anyway, no matter what you are doing with the other hand?
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Excellent questions! I was surprised to see how closely my answers align with the majority of BGG'ers, but upon further reflection maybe it shouldn't be so shocking. I think most of us here (like me) enjoy a variety of gaming experiences and thus don't get far enough into Go to be "serious" players because doing so requires all of one's energy. I only get the itch to play a real game a few times per year, but occasionally work some problems out of a book or online. I also like my games with a bit more theme and randomness and thus am not a big abstract fan. But out of the abstracts, Go is unquestionably the king. Or emperor, perhaps...
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I picked the car since I could sell it for a lot more.
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russ wrote:
The "weakness" question left out many possibilities. I would have answered "the opening" or "lack of joseki knowledge". Other common complaints I've seen are "mid-game fighting" and "endgame calculation".

Mine would be "endgame", I guess. Though mine is much, much, MUCH better than the average player on KGS. "Opening" is my strength. And don't blindly follow too many joseki.
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BigBur wrote:
Wow! This was a blisteringly refreshing survey! I'm glad to have had the privilege of taking it. I'm so tired of uninventive polls. It makes me le sad. cry


Thanks. Glad you enjoyed it! meeple
 
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You didn't include what we think our strengths are. Mine is endgame. I've won way to many games on KGS because my opponents' endgames were in states of disaster.
 
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Oh, and by the way, I would not want to buy a shell and slate, hand-made, old, or otherwise expensive goban for any reason whatsoever. Nor would I want a Ferrari. I'd rather expand my game collection. I'm happy with my korean glass stones that didn't cost much.

And do you know how many games I could buy with that much money?
 
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Abstractite wrote:
And do you know how many games I could buy with that much money?

Definitely at least one game!
 
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Abstractite wrote:
You didn't include what we think our strengths are. Mine is endgame. I've won way to many games on KGS because my opponents' endgames were in states of disaster.


I know. I just felt bad knowing I personally would have to check the box that said "no strength at all".

It was never meant to be "the ultimate Go survey". I just asked the questions that popped into my head. Perhaps I (or someone else) will do a "BGG Go survey, part 2" at some point.
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Severian596 wrote:
I find it interesting that the majority of participants suggest playing a lot of games to get better. I voted for the book. Attack & Defense alone added at least 4 stones for me. But I recognize that everyone is different.


I'm with you, executioner. Kageyama added a few stones for me. I expect Tesuji will as well, once I'm through it thoroughly. I've also met/observed people who played tons of games and are static in their suckage. Books can really help you learn to see things in new ways that simply playing may not.
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Sifu wrote:
Severian596 wrote:
I find it interesting that the majority of participants suggest playing a lot of games to get better. I voted for the book. Attack & Defense alone added at least 4 stones for me. But I recognize that everyone is different.


I'm with you, executioner. Kageyama added a few stones for me. I expect Tesuji will as well, once I'm through it thoroughly. I've also met/observed people who played tons of games and are static in their suckage. Books can really help you learn to see things in new ways that simply playing may not.


tesuji, life&death, and attack and defense are about 80% of what it took for me to reach 1 dan. I have read those books (and one polish one similar to SecondBookOfGo') at least a hundred times EACH by the time I got there. I still go back to them to read them over every few months.
REALLY imprinting attack and defense in your mind will make you play strategically well even in blitz games, and the other 2 will make you a high dan level tactically. you then just need to play some, watch some games, and fill in slight holes in your play, very solid foundations having been in place.

I remeber when I was still 1 dan, and was watching a game from polish championships being analyzed, and out of all the 4/5/6 dan players I was the only one who knew without reading can a L+1 with both hane be killed... :-)
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