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I was actually pretty interested in the game until I saw that the name of the moon was "Heinlein". Don't get me wrong, I LIKE Robert Heinlein, but a little thing like naming a feature in the game after the second-most obvious and recognizable names in Science Fiction of all time is... a little on the nose.

I admit that I'm probably in the minority in feeling pandered to by FFG (even if that's not the intention) and it's probably going to be a pretty good game... but does this sort of thing annoy anyone else, or is it just me?
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Do you avoid Sarah Connor Chronicles because the terminator's name is Cameron, and the investigator chasing them is Ellison?

Sci Fi is notorious for self reference. Its an honor.

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Geosphere wrote:
Do you avoid Sarah Connor Chronicles because the terminator's name is Cameron, and the investigator chasing them is Ellison?

Sci Fi is notorious for self reference. Its an honor.


D'oh! Clearly I wasn't paying enough attention...

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Maybe you just left a word out of your admonishment, but the material actually states that the moon colony is named Heinlein.

And I don't think that's at all crazy, or even unlikely. Considering how many of his stories involved a colony on the Moon, it wouldn't surprise me if the first, commercial colony on the Moon was named after him.
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I suppose you have issues with the game Mission: Red Planet as well?
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Well it was an honor at one time - now its just kitchy, trite and lazy. Every time is see an example of it all I can think of is "gee really? thats all you could come up with?".

Often it is used out of place or just for its own sake. Even worse is when the referencing work is junk (not to say T:SCC is - just saying there is a lot of junk SF/Fantasy).

All that said this game looks like it could be quite fun!
 
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mjtuell wrote:
Geosphere wrote:
Do you avoid Sarah Connor Chronicles because the terminator's name is Cameron, and the investigator chasing them is Ellison?


If I already wasn't avoiding Sarah Conner Chronicles for a host of reasons typicially associated with sci-fi television, I would definitely be avoiding it for those reasons, yes. shake

Don't get me wrong -- I like sci-fi, but the only really good TV series the genre has ever produced was Firefly, IMO.


Surely you're forgetting Battlestar Galactica...?
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I suppose you have issues with the game Mission: Red Planet as well?


Just the crappy boards.
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KillMeForPrizes wrote:
Well it was an honor at one time - now its just kitchy, trite and lazy. Every time is see an example of it all I can think of is "gee really? thats all you could come up with?".


I disagree. It happens all of the time in the real world.

The geostationary orbit is often called the Clarke Orbit or the Clarke Belt to honor Arthur C. Clarke.

The first space shuttle was named Enterprise after the ship in Star Trek.

The "Dandelion Crater" on the moon is named after Ray Bradbury's novel Dandelion Wine.
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Geosphere wrote:
Do you avoid Sarah Connor Chronicles because the terminator's name is Cameron, and the investigator chasing them is Ellison?


No, but I did avoid the show because it sucked.
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I guess you have a problem with a shuttle named Enterprise? I am 99% sure that when we do develop a larger deep space craft that it will also carry the name of Enterprise.

I see it as a statement that most of the people involved with the project have an affinity for Heinlein. Calling it moon base Moorcock would be out of character.
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Jathomas wrote:
I was actually pretty interested in the game until I saw that the name of the moon was "Heinlein". Don't get me wrong, I LIKE Robert Heinlein, but a little thing like naming a feature in the game after the second-most obvious and recognizable names in Science Fiction of all time is... a little on the nose.

I admit that I'm probably in the minority in feeling pandered to by FFG (even if that's not the intention) and it's probably going to be a pretty good game... but does this sort of thing annoy anyone else, or is it just me?

Probably not just you, but you would be in the minority, as you suggest. Just looking at this thread, the entry with the most thumbs was the one that made another obvious Heinlein reference.

I doubt that the name of the Moon Colony is the only such reference in the game.

And if this annoys you, you should definately avoid Mecanisburgo.
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If you don't like that the moon base is named Heinlein then you need to run screaming from this game.

At one of the playtests Kevin Wilson started pointing to spaces on the board. At least 4/5 of them have names that are either a refrence to cyberpunk, classic science fiction literature, or real word robotics and AI research.

Heinlein is among the most obvious, but the vast majority of the board spaces are named this way. I only recognized about a third of them. Kevin is much better read in the Genre than I am. (And then there is that degree in artificial intelligence )
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Naming the colony Heinlien is a way to pay homage to original thinkers that share a genre of though. As was pointed out previously many fields of research in the sciences are led by writers making them up and including them in a story. Star Trek being one of the most important in this regard.

If you think naming one small space on a board is pandering, you should not read/watch/play anything sci-fi. They all do that in some regard.

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DarrellKH wrote:
Maybe you just left a word out of your admonishment, but the material actually states that the moon colony is named Heinlein.

And I don't think that's at all crazy, or even unlikely. Considering how many of his stories involved a colony on the Moon, it wouldn't surprise me if the first, commercial colony on the Moon was named after him.


NASA has named one of the craters on the Mars "Heinlein Crater." If a real colony appeared there, the name Heinlein Colony would be a natural one even if it weren't named to directly honor him.

Edits: My apologies. There is no Heinlein Crater on the Moon. Astronauts David Scott and James Irwin of Apollo 15 unofficially named a moon crater "Rhysling" near their landing landing site (after the blind singer of the spaceways from Heinlein's "The Green Hills of Earth"). They actually stopped and made an unauthorized collection of a (lunar) sample immediately adjacent to Rhysling.

There IS a Heinlein Crater in the Southern Hemishpere of Mars!
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Based on game description and imagery, it should have been called Dick Colony or Deckard Colony.
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I find it really annoying how, in board games set in America, there are all these cities that the boardgame designers obviously named after British cities. I mean "Boston", "Richmond", even 'New' "York"? Come on guys, show some imagination!



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DarrellKH wrote:
Maybe you just left a word out of your admonishment, but the material actually states that the moon colony is named Heinlein.

And I don't think that's at all crazy, or even unlikely. Considering how many of his stories involved a colony on the Moon, it wouldn't surprise me if the first, commercial colony on the Moon was named after him.


That is my thought exactly. I think they are paying homage to one of the greats.
 
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We stopped naming things after important people a while back. I'd say it's more believable if the first lunar city were named New WalMartia.
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If you don't like that the moon base is named Heinlein then you need to run screaming from this game.

At one of the playtests Kevin Wilson started pointing to spaces on the board. At least 4/5 of them have names that are either a refrence to cyberpunk, classic science fiction literature, or real word robotics and AI research.

Heinlein is among the most obvious, but the vast majority of the board spaces are named this way. I only recognized about a third of them. Kevin is much better read in the Genre than I am. (And then there is that degree in artificial intelligence )


You mean references like this one?
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/image/400222


Yep, I think I'll like it. Now only if we get to learn how the game plays.. or the rules...
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Don't get me wrong -- I like sci-fi, but the only really good TV series the genre has ever produced was Firefly, IMO.


I couldn't get into Firefly at all. Okay, it's a western in space. I get it. Enough, already, I get it I swear.
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Jathomas wrote:
...Robert Heinlein...the second-most obvious and recognizable names in Science Fiction of all time...


Second most? Who's first? Clarke? Asimov?

Personally, I think I'd be hard pressed to put any of this trio above the other two. They're all gods.

Are you also mad that they named robotic arms Waldoes?
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Yeesh, is this sorta thing really worth moaning about?
Wasn't Reagan in charge of the 'Star Wars Strategic Defence Initiative' or some such thing? I have absolutely zero doubt that if and when we colonise the moon, build exploratory space craft, etc, we will name 99% of them after famour sci-fi elements/authors/characters etc.
Does this REALLY detract from the game for you? *boggle*
 
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Personally, I like the reference. It fits. It would be fun if there were lots of sci-fi references, sort of a Sci-Fi Where's Waldo. It might even tip me off to some SF that I may have missed...
 
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