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Hmm, that's weird... over in http://tanga.com/products/3103-Smokey_and_Bandit_Interpreter... I had posted a comment (it was early, the 3rd or 4th, right after I got the email it was up for sale)... the comment was to the effect:

Warning!!! HD-DVD which is a dead format since Blu-ray has won the format war? Ie. HD-DVD is like the Beta in the Beta vs. VHS war... what are you doing with those Beta tapes now?

I never received noticed my comment was being deleted, not that they need to, but it bothers me that I may also be missing other folks relevant comemnts that may influence my purchasing decision and tanga deleted...
 
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Blue ray may have won the war but HD is not dead. There is a lot of HD players out there.
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Maybe a more matter-of-fact comment, and not one so snarky, would have stuck around...

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Buyers please be aware that HD-DVD is a format that is not longer supported by most manufacturers, who are instead producing product in Blu-Ray DVD.
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J.L.Robert wrote:
Maybe a more matter-of-fact comment, and not one so snarky, would have stuck around...
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Buyers please be aware that HD-DVD is a format that is not longer supported by most manufacturers, who are instead producing product in Blu-Ray DVD.

snarky? I stated an opinion based in facts... there may be "plenty" of HD-DVD players out there, but Microsoft publically stated they conceded.

Either way, it's no excuse... they don't want their suckers, uh customers, knowing too much. Reminds me of when they failed to clearly indicate that refurbished merchadise was indeed not "new". At least then they didn't delete/censor comments pointing it out. Other than games, I don't know why anyone buys stuff via tanga with their policies.
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JeffyJeff wrote:
I stated an opinion based in facts...


You basically played Captain Obvious. Tanga offered a close out item at a close out price, and like virtually *everything* they've offered that was tech related it was already obsolete. Useful to those who could use it, ignored by those that can't.

They weren't selling dead end HD-DVD players that might actually cause real buyer regret for clueless customers, they were selling HD-DVD movies. I.e. something those who already have HD-DVD players might be interested in. Customers that *knowingly* have a choice whether to keep using the equipment they've already invested in knowing its an eventual dead end, their choice on when or if they decide to cut their losses and switch to a supported format.

You really had no legitimate reason to "warn" anyone. Do you go on crusades telling people not to buy laser disks because the format is obsolete? Do you tell Mac users not to buy PC software because the format is incompatible? All you effectively did was rub potentially interested customers noses in the fact they were early adopters of a technology path that lost out in a format war. They knew that already. Let them decide whether they want to continue getting use from what they've got. Frankly I would have removed your post, too.
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You better check to see what happened. I have slammed the product and the price and they did nothing about my comment. I have done this more than once. And has others.
 
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KGBRadioMoskow wrote:
Do you tell Mac users not to buy PC software because the format is incompatible?

Uh, yeah, that's just being nice.
 
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They do censor some comments, but not consistantly. I do believe that your comment was worded quite harshly, but I do not agree with Tanga's policy to display no notice or caution or the like.

That's the main reason why checking threads on BGG is important.
 
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J.L.Robert wrote:
Maybe a more matter-of-fact comment, and not one so snarky, would have stuck around...


I'm noticing a large trend of, well, internet trends in BGG lately. Most namely, the way that people are attacking one another with wild abandon and all the "using the facts" of the McCain-Palin campaign.

Accusations without a semblance of logical thought seems to be the trend of BGG. With a larger sampling of the population, we inherently receive a larger sampling of the intelligence curve, leading to less coherent arguments.

This will inevitably be followed by some wonderful anti-intellectualism comments.

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I just reread that, and it reads like "anyone who argues is stupid." That's not the case, and that's not what I mean. In fact, smart people use dumb logic frequently to make points, particularly in a heated debate, so that's not a proper gauge.

All I really want here is for people not to get so riled up over everything and make blatant personal attacks for no reason. I've seen more personal-attacking threads lately than I would like to.

And now that I've waffled and shown "weakness," someone will jump on me for that:
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Probably because its wrong. The hd format is dead, but the dvds are cheap recorders that make great upscale players. It's far from a beta player that had no usefulness after the war
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Your comment was likely #4 - you can see the comments are numbered in sequence and Comment #4 is missing.

As for "censorship" or "moderation" - it is a user moderated system. You will notice on each post a link to Flag this comment. If enough users click that link, the comment is hidden pending review by the admins.

So at this point in time, I am inclined to think it wasn't Tanga, but rather users who caused your comment to disappear.

If you have any concerns - you can always contact TangaJoe directly and ask.
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Hey! Let's not forget that the Beta was a demonstably better machine.

Or maybe we might as well forget it...just feeling like yelling into the void this morning.

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I noticed you said this:
blueatheart wrote:
I'm noticing a large trend of, well, internet trends in BGG lately. Most namely, the way that people are attacking one another with wild abandon and all the "using the facts" of the McCain-Palin campaign.

And then followed it up with this:
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Accusations without a semblance of logical thought seems to be the trend of BGG.

Which I found quite amusing. I appreciate your humorous contribution.
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Just a different perspective here...not trolling or anything: the betamax comparison really doesn't have much weight in today's age of multiple inputs on televisions, particularly hdtv's. In the beta days (if memory serves), most people owned one VCR and that was it. Picking the format (and, by proxy, being loyal to one) actually mattered. For my part, I have an HD-DVD attachment on the ole 360 and a PS3 hooked up to the same TV. I kinda dig getting HD-DVD's on the cheap. Sure, I've gotten most of the movies that are worth having, but, hey, I'll buy Atonement on HD for 5 bucks. Why not? I'm never going to shell out 30 bucks for it on BD, it is cheaper than the DVD (and some movies even play on a DVD player) and it looks pretty cool in 1080i. I'm no format warrior, and yeah, HD-DVD is "dead", but I have yet to figure out why people get so psyched up about the subject. Don't want em? Cool, man. Don't buy em. More for me. You know...the "sucker" who owns an HD-DVD player. Happy thanksgiving, everyone.
 
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Exactly.

Actually, shortly after the sony "win" of blu-ray over HD-DVD, I read of many people going out and buying the suddenly greatly reduced HD-DVD players and stocking up on cheap Hi-Def movies. Hi-def is hi-def and at some point the cost difference between a collection of HD-DVD movies compared to Blu-ray movies pays for the hardware and quite a few more movies...
 
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I, too, bought an HD-DVD when I got one for about $100 last Thanksgiving with seven free HD-DVD (two of which I sold at the time for about $30 total). So, basically, I got an upconverting DVD player for $70. All the HD-DVDs I bought play on both types of players so I don't miss much.

Incidentally, Tanga did send out a note ahead of time asking if anyone had HD-DVD players and wanted HD-DVDs if they could get them. A number of people said they would be interested. I don't think they misrepresented anything to anyone.

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BashiBazouk wrote:
Exactly.

Actually, shortly after the sony "win" of blu-ray over HD-DVD, I read of many people going out and buying the suddenly greatly reduced HD-DVD players and stocking up on cheap Hi-Def movies. Hi-def is hi-def and at some point the cost difference between a collection of HD-DVD movies compared to Blu-ray movies pays for the hardware and quite a few more movies...

I"m not sure it was much a win for blueray. Like someone said, blue-ray won vs. the tangible item format war, but are loosing badly to downloadable content. It's definately a new age.

With downloadable content, I couldn't see myself ever renting orbuying a blue ray disk, not unless they finally use the full capacity of the disk and give me the uncut version of lord of rings or the combined Kill Bill (things that were hinted at during the format war that never came to fruition)

Everyones saying the beta /vhs war, but there was another war between that with dvds vs optical disks (and several other formats). Sony used its ps2 trojan horse technique (and porn distrubution) to win that one.

 
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BashiBazouk wrote:
Exactly.

Actually, shortly after the sony "win" of blu-ray over HD-DVD, I read of many people going out and buying the suddenly greatly reduced HD-DVD players and stocking up on cheap Hi-Def movies. Hi-def is hi-def and at some point the cost difference between a collection of HD-DVD movies compared to Blu-ray movies pays for the hardware and quite a few more movies...


Sounds a lot like what the fans of the early laser discs did back in the day.
 
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