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Talk me into buying Agricola.

Why is it the first one in the ranking?




 
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Re: Game Ranking: Manipulated?
chipwizard wrote:
I'd like to ask your opinion about the game ranking: is it manipulated or not?
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/browser.php?itemtype=game&sortb...

Because I find it hard to believe that an utter piece of crap, like Agricola can jump to the top place without external manipulation.


Strange you have rated Agricola at 7 which doesn't indicate a piece of crap to me. Many people have rated it much higher (and have backed it up with commentary). There are nearly 5,500 people who have rated the game. So I do not think that the rating system is manipulated.
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Re: Game Ranking: Manipulated?
Actualy yes...from what I heard, Aldie just got a brand new Porsche from Lookout Games in return for positioning Agricola at #1.
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Re: Game Ranking: Manipulated?
I have rated it 7, but now i would rate it lower.

Anyway, thanks for the big nothing as replies!
 
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Re: Game Ranking: Manipulated?
chipwizard wrote:
I have rated it 7, but now i would rate it lower.

Anyway, thanks for the big nothing as replies!


You can change your ratings whenever you want, so feel free to do so: http://www.boardgamegeek.com/collection/user/chipwizard?rate...

Suggestion for your next thread: conspiracy keeping Rummy out of the top 10?
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Re: Game Ranking: Manipulated?
and here I thought this was going to be about Dominion...
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Re: Game Ranking: Manipulated?
Are the rankings manipulated? No.

Are people's opinions manipulated? Oh yes.
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Okay, this isn't about Agricola. I've just read this somewhere in the forum, and thought I'd ask it. It was a bad idea. Bigtimers can't reply without attacking the newbie.

But Kevin S has the good idea...
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Re: Game Ranking: Manipulated?
chipwizard wrote:
Okay, this isn't about Agricola. I've just read this somewhere in the forum, and thought I'd ask it. It was a bad idea. Bigtimers can't reply without attacking the newbie.


Please point me to the reply that you considered "attacking you".
These are, apart from a few exceptions, the most polite forums I've ever been to.
You didn't really expect simple "yes/no" answers, did you?

As for a serious reply:
Of course there's always the possibility that someone gets multiple accounts or gives a 1 to a good game just because it is a "direct opponent" of his/her favourite game.
But e.g. Agricola clocks in at 5434 ratings, so I don't think an attempt to seriously manipulate this rating would be / have been worth the effort.

And being the one on top of the votes doesn't necessarily mean you're the best. Otherwise democracy would work ...
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Re: Game Ranking: Manipulated?
The point is, that talking about the ratings often is considered beating a dead horse. You also had the bad luck, that you deleted remark about Agricola was quoted - and most users are a bit tired about the Agricola #1 debate. The ratings are interesting but not important - and Agricol is #1 because people actualy like it.
Also, the rank-calculation is supposed to eliminate fake very high and very low ratings. Naturaly the admins do not disclose any details about it.
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Re: Game Ranking: Manipulated?
chipwizard wrote:


Please point me to the reply that you considered "attacking you".
These are, apart from a few exceptions, the most polite forums I've ever been to.


I totally, utterly agree with this statement. I have not been to any nicer, gentler forum community before.

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Re: Game Ranking: Manipulated?
I just hope that Dominion doesn't catch Tigris & Euphrates. Of course if it were up to me Hex would be number one, and Stephenson's Rocket and Arkadia would be top ten. .
 
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Re: Game Ranking: Manipulated?
chipwizard wrote:
I have rated it 7, but now i would rate it lower.

Don't do that. Why should other people's opinion of a game cause you to change your rating lower than you think the game's rating should be? Giving an artificially low rating to try to make the average combined rating be closer to what you think the rating "should" be is silly.

Just rate games according to what you think they should be, and accept that not everyone agrees with you: that's why there are combined ratings, instead of the site using only your personal ratings for the general top 100 list.
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Re: Game Ranking: Manipulated?
I don't think that it's manipulated, but i do think that when you get a large amount of people using a vote system, that it isn't always accurate.

Often people will give a bunch of things a 1 out of 10, purely because they don't like it, not because they absolutely hate it, and the game has many flaws, but because they don't like it themselves. So they're giving too much weight to their dislike, if you catch my drift.

If I play a game like say Puerto Rico, and I don't find it interesting or engaging for me, or it's not my type of game. Do i give it a 2 or a 3? or do i give it a 7 or 8, because I know it does things well in it's mechanics and has merit and others would like it.

So you'll never get a true ranking, but it's the closest we have. So just use it as a guide line, and not as an etched in stone product. I figure the top 10 are all tied, the next 10 are all tied, and go from there =)
 
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Re: Game Ranking: Manipulated?
But some are more tied than others.
 
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Re: Game Ranking: Manipulated?
chipwizard wrote:
I have rated it 7, but now i would rate it lower.


So you cry foul that the number are being manipulated, then you do this. Pot meet Kettle.
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Re: Game Ranking: Manipulated?
chipwizard wrote:
I'd like to ask your opinion about the game ranking: is it manipulated or not?
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/browser.php?itemtype=game&sortb...


Life could be worse... Obama could put Hillary in his administration somewhere. So don't sweat the small stuff.


... what?
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Re: Game Ranking: Manipulated?
Chip,

Welcome to the forums - don't take any of the comments personally. Some months ago there was a big debate about whether Agricola's rating was manipulated - i think the conclusion was that it was not and with 5,000+ ratings now it almost assuredly is not. Anyway, take the ratings with a pinch of salt - it's all about personal preferences and the joy of the 'geek is that we have such broad and diverse game tastes in such a friendly community.

Cheers

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Re: Game Ranking: Manipulated?
Yes.

Power Grid and Twilight Struggle are waaay too high...
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Re: Game Ranking: Manipulated?
I've never played Agricola so I can't like or dislike it.
Could be a good, objective point to start with...

I suppose the ratings aren't manipulated given the large amount of voters. But a game raising that high that fast... It's just not natural.
And that probably indicates the commercial engine behind the game is of an absolute superior quality. The idea of giving people ways to pimp their games proved to be very affective... People fell for it.
Sounds more realistic than manipulated ratings to me...
But I do understand why Chip asked his question.
 
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Re: Game Ranking: Manipulated?
I tell you what. You go and rate Agricola whatever you want... or any other game whatever you want. Everyone else is doing exactly the same thing. We'd like you to try to be fair and honest, but do whatever you like. Detailed statistical analysis has shown that people artificially rating a game high or low has little or no effect on the overall rating.

Here's the real issue. The thing that people like MrSkeletor can't bear to hear - and apparently you can't either;

You didn't like these games at the top, but lots of other people do. Sorry to hear you didn't like them. Hope you find something you do like. But lots of people like these games a lot. That's why they have a high rating.

I guess it's just hard for some people to learn that other people might have different tastes.
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cosine wrote:
I guess it's just hard for some people to learn that other people might have different tastes.


Hey, I love the Munchkin series, but apparently thats a viled and disgusting game here, and not only that, yes, i WILL play monopoly if people wish to. I have no objection. It would not be my first choice, but I wouldn't crawl into the fetus position, suck my thumb and wish for the pain to go away.
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chipwizard wrote:
I have rated it 7, but now i would rate it lower.


So you cry foul that the number are being manipulated, then you do this. Pot meet Kettle.


Apparently you cannot say this phrase anymore, as it is racist. At least thats what Omarosa felt on the Apprentice.

I know, I should be punched once for bringing up the Apprentice, and 100 times for bringing up Omarosa.
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Re: Game Ranking: Manipulated?
If you don't like the main ratings, ignore them entirely!

What you can do instead is to look for people that share your tastes, by using the super-duper correlation tool, and then add them to your geekbuddy list. Then, you can just ignore the normal ratings, and see what your geekbuddies think about the games.

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hibikir wrote:
If you don't like the main ratings, ignore them entirely!

What you can do instead is to look for people that share your tastes, by using the super-duper correlation tool, and then add them to your geekbuddy list. Then, you can just ignore the normal ratings, and see what your geekbuddies think about the games.



This is what I was going to say. I don't look at overall ratings anymore -- I just look at what my Geekbuddies say (the full comments and not just the number).
 
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