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Ernest Schubert
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Ok, I'm back asking for help.

What would you folks consider to be 'must have' games covering these two classic battles? I'm interested in playablitiy and 'fun' over complexity and accuracy. That said - I'm more on the ASL end of the spectrum than the Axis and Allies end. I'd consider The Russian Campaign to be about the best mix - if that helps.

I mostly play (or played) hex and counter, but I'm open to considering other types. The games should work fairly well solitare, but I'm still hoping to find something (other than Warhammer 40K) that my kids will play.
 
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For Waterloo, one game continues to stand the test of time - SPI's Napoleon's Last Battles. If I had to have one Waterloo game, that is it.

As to Gettysburg....I don't know.
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Wilhammer wrote:
For Waterloo, one game continues to stand the test of time - SPI's Napoleon's Last Battles. If I had to have one Waterloo game, that is it.

As to Gettysburg....I don't know.


I can only second all that.

I suspect there's some great Gettysburg game out there that I don't know about. But I'm not very impressed with the games I do know about. So I'll have to just keep quiet on that.

But NLB did impress me quite a bit. I haven't seen or played it in years, yet I remember it as one of the best wargames ever.
 
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Gettysburg:

War of the States: Gettysburg, 1863 Division level game using area movement. The advantage of this system is that there are also Napoleonic games available, though sadly, not Waterloo. Here's a link to a two-page summary of play: http://www.avalanchepress.com/pdf/WarEmpiresQuickPlay.pdf

Yankees & Rebels A bit of a Euro-Wargame hybrid, but very interesting to play. The map is two-sided: Gettysburg on one side and blank on the other. Terrain tiles a la Memoir '44 are included so that you can do other battles as well. Rules are online. http://giogames.it/Y&Renglish.html
 
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I'm interested in playablitiy and 'fun' over complexity and accuracy.


In that case I think you have to try Waterloo 20.
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There's one in development similar to the Bonaparte at Marengo / Napoleon's Triumph games:

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I am a big fan of the Talonsoft Gettysburg game for the computer but for board games the only one that comes close is Terrible Swift Sword. This is my absolute favorite wargame but it takes a lot of time and takes up a lot of space so it may not be right for you. It also helps if you have a friend that's conversant with the rules. There are several smaller, shorter games portraying other civil war battles using the same rules set that are useful in learning the system.
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gittes wrote:


I'll second that, although I actually prefer the old AH edition. Can't see how a block game will work very well for solitaire play, though.

For Gettysburg, I'm not sure I can help much there either. You can get Gettysburg (125th Anniversary edition), which has the advantage of taking only an hour or two to play. A lot of people will tell you that it's "unrealistic", which you tend to hear about a lot of games that people actually play. Having said that, I do recommend adding in some of the optional rules.

I also remember enjoying the Gettysburg scenario in Across 5 Aprils, which is has 4 other nice scenarios included. A very playable system and a worthwhile package to own in any case.
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I'll second that, although I actually prefer the old AH edition. Can't see how a block game will work very well for solitaire play, though.


Some work better than others. I found this one did okay.
 
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Battles of Napoleon: The Eagle and the Lion

While not specifically about Waterloo, this game might interest your kids.
 
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The Three Days of Gettysburg is my favorite game on that battle, but you may want to check out Thunder at the Crossroads by The Gamers (brigade-level, but your enjoyment of the game will probably depend on how you feel about the written orders command system) and Gettysburg by West End Game, part of the well-received South Mountain game system (but, I believe, is only available as part of the War of the Rebellion set, which also includes the battles of Chickamauga, South Mountain and Shiloh).

For Waterloo, my favorite is the old SPI game Wellington's Victory, but it's a monster game. I recommend GMT's Battles of Waterloo or the La Bataille series from Clash of Arms that deal with the battle (Ligny, Quatre Bras and Mount St. Jean).



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The Three Days of Gettysburg is my favorite game on that battle, but you may want to check out Thunder at the Crossroads by The Gamers (brigade-level, but your enjoyment of the game will probably depend on how you feel about the written orders command system) and Gettysburg by West End Game, part of the well-received South Mountain game system (but, I believe, is only available as part of the War of the Rebellion set, which also includes the battles of Chickamauga, South Mountain and Shiloh).

For Waterloo, my favorite is the old SPI game Wellington's Victory, but it's a monster game. I recommend GMT's Battles of Waterloo or the La Bataille series from Clash of Arms that deal with the battle (Ligny, Quatre Bras and Mount St. Jean).



Grog level stuff, especially the last and first listed.
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Gettysburg: Badges of Courage from Columbia Games.

A block game that I regularly play solo.
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Of all the games I own(Napoleonics), the only one that stands out as having been played quite a bit is 'Napoleon at Waterloo' - the old game that came as an introductory freebee when you subscribed to S&T - lo these many years ago. I have a bunch of others, I'll have to go look and see which ones. We played 'La Grande Armee' alot too, but that's a horse of a different colour. We played the ancient AH Waterloo, too... but I wouldn't call that an 'essential' game by any means.

Of all the Civil War games I have, only 'A House Divided' got alot of play. I remember messing around with the new version of 'Gettysburg'(AH) that came out in '75-'77 or so, but it didn't catch my interest. I also messed about with 'The Civil War' from VG 1983, but that was in my 'mostly just reading rules' days - after college. I honestly can't think of a single game, covering a single battle, from the Civil War era that I really liked. Is there a four game set from SPI, I think I might have that?
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If you are closer to ASL than A&A then you need to get Three Days of Gettysburg (third edition).
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For an easy to learn/quick to play game that would do well for kids with relatively little wargaming experience, VPG's "Waterloo-20" is pretty much perfect. It's also very solo-friendly.

VPG doesn't have a "Gettysburg-20" game out... yet (we're working on it, be patient).
 
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Personal favorites are Terrible Swift Sword(SPI) for Gettysburg, and Wellington's Victory: Battle of Waterloo Game – June 18th, 1815 (SPI/TSR) for Waterloo. Both are "monster games", but (IMO) are well worth the investment in time and available gaming space to play through the campaign games (and some of the smaller scenarios as well) It helps that there are some mechanical similarities between the two should you decide on tracking down these particular titles.
 
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Like David earlier on, I would recommend AH's Gettysburg (125th Anniversary edition) and Victory Games' Across 5 Aprils as simple and fun games.

Alternatively, for an operational rather than tactical view of Gettysburg, try Roads to Gettysburg from AH's Great Campaigns of the American Civil War series.
 
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I second the recomendation for Wellington's Victory: Battle of Waterloo Game – June 18th, 1815. A good game to learn the system if you can find it is Ney vs. Wellington. It's a lot smaller but makes the learning curve much shallower than if you dove right into WV.
 
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