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Subject: TWIMC: prefer CC:E deck card stock rss

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Drake Coker
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FWIW...

I really like the card stock used for the CC:E decks. They feel like quality bridge cards and shuffle nicely using any standard technique.

The cards in CC are about 20% heavier and are quite resistant to bending. This makes them pretty hard to shuffle well using a riffle shuffle. They are amenable to a Faro shuffle when held upside down, but the whole deck is pretty slippery and rather bulky with the 72 cards. Often, when cards get this heavy, they are prone to picking up nicks along the edge before they start showing normal wear.

So, maybe returning to the slightly lighter card stock for the next iteration?

Anyhow, just my $0.02.


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Yea, I really hate it when game companies use higher quality more durable components, darn them.
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JaggedTech wrote:
Yea, I really hate it when game companies use higher quality more durable components, darn them.

Well "quality" means fitness for purpose, so if someone finds thicker cards hard to shuffle, I can see how they would perceive them as being of lower quality than thinner cards that are easy to shuffle.
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JaggedTech wrote:
Yea, I really hate it when game companies use higher quality more durable components, darn them.


Heavier card stock doesn't automatically mean Better or Higher Quality. The nicking of cards in a card driven game is a big issue. If a card is uniquely marked due to nicking or battle damage from shuffling then your opponent my pick this up and know what is in your hand.

Also, I use the plastic protector sleeves, as many others do too, that come with their own storage boxes. These boxes only hold 72 cards in sleeves, if the cards are much thicker then we might not be able to fit all 72 in one box. This may require purchasing additional boxes that hold more cards. An extra expense

I am still waiting for my copy of CC so I will have to wait to see what the difference really means to the game. This is still the best WW2 game being produced today, so these will be minor issues to deal with to have a great playing game.

My 2 cents too.
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Drake, how did you get your hands on CC ?? I am way jealous.

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The nicking of cards in a card driven game is a big issue. If a card is uniquely marked due to nicking or battle damage from shuffling then your opponent my pick this up and know what is in your hand

Wow, if my opponent is close enough to see the nicks, it better be because she is leaning over to give me a kiss.

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This may require purchasing additional boxes that hold more cards. An extra expense

I know, it is just like when I bought robo rally. I had to buy an extra box to protect the robot figures when I painted them, and it won't even fit in the original game box. Damn them and their higher quality stuff!
 
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JaggedTech wrote:
Yea, I really hate it when game companies use higher quality more durable components, darn them.


Thicker cards aren't automatically more durable. At times, they can be less so! More prone to nicks or wrinkling due to riffle shuffling.

For most cards, the wear and tear happens on the image first, not on the actual card stock.

In any case, I thought the card stock for CC:E cards was great. Similar to good quality playing cards. The CC cards feel like a tiny step backwards.

Not a big deal... like I said, just my $0.02.

 
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chicklewis wrote:
Drake, how did you get your hands on CC ?? I am way jealous.

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It came in the mail with the Stalingrad pack! Maybe they filled the orders backwards, since my pre-order was relatively late :/

 
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GMT ships pre-orders alphabetically. So that A isn't advantaged each time, they start at differing places in the alphabet with each shipment. Looks like this one is starting at B or C....

PS - Mine arrived today, so moving pretty quick through the alphabet
 
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RPardoe wrote:
GMT ships pre-orders alphabetically. So that A isn't advantaged each time, they start at differing places in the alphabet with each shipment. Looks like this one is starting at B or C....


They sure did!
 
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RPardoe wrote:
GMT ships pre-orders alphabetically. So that A isn't advantaged each time, they start at differing places in the alphabet with each shipment. Looks like this one is starting at B or C....


Maybe A isn't advantaged each time, but it sure appears that W is disadvantaged each time.
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Olvenskol wrote:
FWIW...

The cards in CC are about 20% heavier and are quite resistant to bending. This makes them pretty hard to shuffle well using a riffle shuffle.




(this is tongue-in-cheek) Maybe you need to hit the gym...IRON
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RPardoe wrote:
GMT ships pre-orders alphabetically. So that A isn't advantaged each time, they start at differing places in the alphabet with each shipment. Looks like this one is starting at B or C....


Maybe A isn't advantaged each time, but it sure appears that W is disadvantaged each time.


I guess that's the "tanks" you get for being a faithful customer!
 
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Agree completely with Olvenskol, the stiff, unresponsive 'dead'-feeling cards are a HUGE DE-PROVEMENT over the previous decks and a big disappointment. Everything else about the production values is first-rate.

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Ok, so I've been joking around above. Maybe I needed to put 's. However, I do own the game, and I have played with the cards. They are thicker, but I found that they riffled Ok (although I did have to put more muscle in it to get a bend and a good riffle than I would with a thinner deck). I can’t really speak on the nicking or wrinkling issue. I didn't experience any nicking or wrinkling, but I also did not play extensively with the cards un-sleeved. Since I generally play with sleeves, both the thickness and nicking are really a non-issue for me.
 
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