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http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/state/orl-lawsuit2...

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A Merritt Island man who was paralyzed when he answered a dare to do a belly flop in the Indian River has been awarded $76.6 million by a Brevard County jury.

Timothy D. Hoffman, who was 20 at the time of the accident on Jan. 16, 2003, broke his neck when he sprinted down a dock in Port St. John and slammed headfirst into the bottom of the shallow river.
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That whole story just made me mad. What the heck!?
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You know, the next time I fall down the steps because I'm stinking drunk I believe I'll sue somebody. This story has given me hope.
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Sigh... I wish I could say something against that phrase...
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That's one thing about provincial judges. They can award what ever batshit crazy judgment they want, but once it moves to a higher court, this will be laughed out. He won't see a dime. Mark my words.
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MWChapel wrote:
That's one thing about provincial judges. They can award what ever batshit crazy judgment they want, but once it moves to a higher court, this will be laughed out. He won't see a dime. Mark my words.
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When I conquer my own small island nation, I'm going to appoint myself judge to all civil cases. If a plaintiff is trying to profit off of their own stupidity like the example above, I will shoot them in the arm and deport them via rowboat with only frisbees for oars.
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erak wrote:
When I conquer my own small island nation, I'm going to appoint myself judge to all civil cases. If a plaintiff is trying to profit off of their own stupidity like the example above, I will shoot them in the arm and deport them via rowboat with only frisbees for oars.


Softie...
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Dangit. like we need more reason to be embarrassed by some of the idiots we have around here..

12 people agreed on this?!? I've done jury duty 3 times here in Brevard county in the last 10 years. Every time I've done it it is always with a very rational group of adults. Where did they find these folks and how did they get them to agree?
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MWChapel wrote:
That's one thing about provincial judges. They can award what ever batshit crazy judgment they want, but once it moves to a higher court, this will be laughed out. He won't see a dime. Mark my words.

Let's hope so. The nerve of this man! I hope he never walks agai... what? Oh.
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SVan wrote:
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A Merritt Island man who was paralyzed when he answered a dare to do a belly flop in the Indian River has been awarded $76.6 million by a Brevard County jury


The only way he'll ever see $76.6 million is if the business owner he sued skips lunch and has that $4-5 he would have spent on a whopper converted to Zimbabwe dollars.
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He was a temp who was convinced to do a belly flop off a dock. There was betting done by his boss (the man who was sued). The article doesn't say if the boss knew there was only a foot of water after the 10ft drop.

If... if, the boss knew the guy was jumping a story down into a puddle and encouraged and bet on it, then I think he's guilty.

If you are the authority figure in a situation and convince somebody to do something you know will harm them (or you're so ignorant you're negligent) then you deserve to get sued.

If nobody knew if was only a foot deep then I see no fault. If it was actually a deep body of water and he just landed funny, then I would see no fault. If the boss was a monumental prick and convinced the 20 year old to jump ten feet head first in belly flop mode onto basically rock then he deserves to lose his business.
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MusedFable wrote:
He was a temp who was convinced to do a belly flop off a dock. There was betting done by his boss (the man who was sued). The article doesn't say if the boss knew there was only a foot of water after the 10ft drop.

If... if, the boss knew the guy was jumping a story down into a puddle and encouraged and bet on it, then I think he's guilty.

If you are the authority figure in a situation and convince somebody to do something you know will harm them (or you're so ignorant you're negligent) then you deserve to get sued.

If nobody knew if was only a foot deep then I see no fault. If it was actually a deep body of water and he just landed funny, then I would see no fault. If the boss was a monumental prick and convinced the 20 year old to jump ten feet head first in belly flop mode onto basically rock then he deserves to lose his business.


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MWChapel wrote:
MusedFable wrote:
He was a temp who was convinced to do a belly flop off a dock. There was betting done by his boss (the man who was sued). The article doesn't say if the boss knew there was only a foot of water after the 10ft drop.

If... if, the boss knew the guy was jumping a story down into a puddle and encouraged and bet on it, then I think he's guilty.

If you are the authority figure in a situation and convince somebody to do something you know will harm them (or you're so ignorant you're negligent) then you deserve to get sued.

If nobody knew if was only a foot deep then I see no fault. If it was actually a deep body of water and he just landed funny, then I would see no fault. If the boss was a monumental prick and convinced the 20 year old to jump ten feet head first in belly flop mode onto basically rock then he deserves to lose his business.


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Chapel, very rarely do I agree with you on much, but this one time I am disappointed that I can give but one thumb. And I have never said that before.
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MusedFable wrote:
The article doesn't say if the boss knew there was only a foot of water after the 10ft drop.

....

If... if, the boss knew the guy was jumping a story down into a puddle

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If nobody knew if was only a foot deep

.....

If it was actually a deep body of water


Pretty much anyone who lives here for any amount of time near the river and certainly anyone working construction along that river knows that the entire thing is shallow. You can pretty much walk across the entire river and only need to swim across a short 20-30' boat channel that has been dredged. 100' off shore and your only waist deep in most places.
There's no way this guy (doing the jumping) did not know the water was shallow. You can see the bottom if it's less than 3 feet deep.

I wouldn't be surprised if there was some of that "I dare you" "10 bucks says you wont" cajoling, and I'm sure he intended to land flat in a belly flop. He failed at that and landed head first. He knew whether the water was deep or not. If he never even looked than he's a total idiot.

anyway, just my opinion. I wasn't there.
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MWChapel wrote:
MusedFable wrote:
He was a temp who was convinced to do a belly flop off a dock. There was betting done by his boss (the man who was sued). The article doesn't say if the boss knew there was only a foot of water after the 10ft drop.

If... if, the boss knew the guy was jumping a story down into a puddle and encouraged and bet on it, then I think he's guilty.

If you are the authority figure in a situation and convince somebody to do something you know will harm them (or you're so ignorant you're negligent) then you deserve to get sued.

If nobody knew if was only a foot deep then I see no fault. If it was actually a deep body of water and he just landed funny, then I would see no fault. If the boss was a monumental prick and convinced the 20 year old to jump ten feet head first in belly flop mode onto basically rock then he deserves to lose his business.


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Jumping off a bridge is a calculated risk. If my friends and I all decide it's worth it then none of us is to be solely blamed; we're all dumbasses together.

If my friend jumps first and notices a massive rock he just barely missed, and then calls for me to jump too because he thinks it would be funny for me to land on a massive rock then he is more to blame then I am.

It's a form of negligence. If you have more info than somebody else and you goad them into doing something more dangerous than they realize you're being negligent.

You don't tell children to stick a fork in an outlet. You don't tell the new guy at work to hit the red button while standing underneath the machinery. You don't bet a friend to run into a "friends" house and scare them at 2am knowing that it's actually an old man with an itchy trigger finger.
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fsumarc wrote:
MusedFable wrote:
The article doesn't say if the boss knew there was only a foot of water after the 10ft drop.

....

If... if, the boss knew the guy was jumping a story down into a puddle

....

If nobody knew if was only a foot deep

.....

If it was actually a deep body of water


Pretty much anyone who lives here for any amount of time near the river and certainly anyone working construction along that river knows that the entire thing is shallow. You can pretty much walk across the entire river and only need to swim across a short 20-30' boat channel that has been dredged. 100' off shore and your only waist deep in most places.
There's no way this guy (doing the jumping) did not know the water was shallow. You can see the bottom if it's less than 3 feet deep.

I wouldn't be surprised if there was some of that "I dare you" "10 bucks says you wont" cajoling, and I'm sure he intended to land flat in a belly flop. He failed at that and landed head first. He knew whether the water was deep or not. If he never even looked than he's a total idiot.

anyway, just my opinion. I wasn't there.

If it's that obvious then the guy is a fucking numb nuts. Was he from out of town? Exceptionally slow witted? Nah, that's pretty thin.

Betting on it was a little callous, but if the guy knew the risks it's his fault.

Must have been a good lawyer.
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MusedFable wrote:
Must have been a good lawyer.

I don't know if this even needs be the case. The article says the owner, facing bankruptcy, couldn't even afford a lawyer and so the company was not represented to defend itself. Thus, the jury could have just had a heyday with it and awarded an arbitrary default judgement.

Part of me wants to feel sorry for the guy, but when anyone starts pulling out multi-million dollar lawsuits to compensate for their OWN stupidity, I lose all sympathy for the person. In fact, where the article says "He and his fiance parted not long afterward," I couldn't help but think "Well, maybe that's because she realized she was engaged to a MORON?!" Callous, I know, and I guess part of me feels a little guilty for that, but still...
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