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Marco Lippolis
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Hello,

I saw this game in the specialised shop here in Trieste and was about to pick it (65 Euros).

Then I thought I'd better take a look here first.

As you can see from my collection I'm a Eurogamer and GMT has already disappointed me from a rules point of view (Blackbeard).

This games seem no exception. I got terrified by the 36-page rulebook, the (long) errata already published, the FAQ which seems to be on its way and, what's more, somebody certainly more expert than I am in wargames took eight hours to get through the first scenario!

All this put me off, but I still want to like this game. Would anyone try to make me change my mind?

Thank you

Mark
 
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I am usually very good with rules, even more complex wargame rules. However, I must say this rulebook is very hard for me to digest; I know others have had the same problem. Having said that, this seems like a really fun game. I would download the rules from GMT and peruse them so you can personally get a feel for them. Good luck!
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Based on your comments about Blackbeard, I think you may want to pass on this one. Personally I feel the game is absolutely wonderful and very tense, but actually getting to the game is a significant chore. The rulebook is difficult and almost no help at all as a reference during play.

Hopefully the upcoming FAQ will make this game much more accessible, but until then you're looking at several hours of reading (and re-reading) before moving your first chit.

If, however, you don't mind the initial (steep) investment, this is one of the most exciting and innovative games I've seen in a while.
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In 30+ years of gaming and me being a Grognard...FOF is a great solitaire wargame with just about the hardest set of rules i have ever seen.

The plus side to buying the game now is of course there are a good few of us that have persevered with the game and can help with rules questions.
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Yes - you should! Sorry - what was the question?

Sorry about the cheekiness - yes, what was said above is all correct. The rules (in practice) leave a *lot* to be desired, and as a reference during play I have found myself looking through practically the entire rulebook for various rules tidbits on how to handle certain situations and *still* ended up discovering (later) that I had missed stuff.

So, now after spending I don't know how many hours reading the rules book probably 3 or 4 times cover to cover, *and* having worked through the very first mission from WWII, I think I'm *finally* about ready in the next day or two to actually truly start my WWII campaign "for real" this time.

But I must admit that I have had an absolute blast the entire time and the game is extraordinarily fun and I think about it quite a lot.

So, yeah, it has a steep cost of entry to learn, but I believe that once you've learned how to play the game then you won't be disappointed in the gameplay itself.

I must admit to not being a "grognard" and I actually have not played a "real" hex and counter wargame in over 20 years and never really got into wargames to begin with, but I personally felt that the rules book wasn't too dry at all. Sure, its a bit long, but to me at least I never felt that reading the rules was an exercise in tedium, like I've encountered when even trying to read the rules to many other wargames.

Just so you know, there is an example of play you can download that should help, and there in a lot of information and answers to questions both in this forum and at consimworld.

Best of luck!

EDIT: The review by Kingdaddy http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/372070 is very good in my opinion and you may want to check it out.
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Would anyone try to make me change my mind?

Thank you

Mark


Sorry-and I MEAN that from my heart-but no. shake
 
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Marco Lippolis
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Thank you all for your replies.
Before writing here I did read the two reviews and the various comments and I did download the book.

I'm printing it tomorrow because reading from the monitor is out of the question.

Anyway now it's 60% yes and 40% no.

The shop had one copy and I saw it Saturday morning, so it might have been sold in the afternoon if some grognard saw it and it's not very likely they can easily get hold of another one. So maybe no choice after all!

Mark
 
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I have a hard time with FoF mostly because my time is limited. I have yet to get through the first mission. That being said I am having a great time just learning and trying the first mission a few times as practice. Each time I play it is completely different. The complexity of this game does not hinder me at all as just learning it is fascinating. If you are patient and want a great war sim at the rifle company level you will be playing this for years to come. Unlike Ambush the replayability is great.
 
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Marco Lippolis
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OK, I'm a bloody fool.

I phoned the shop to ask if they still had the copy of the game. They had and so now it's waiting for me to go and get it.

I'm sure I'll have a VERY hard time with this, but anyway I need something for when I retire (> 20 yrs from now) and my son leaves the flat (> 20 yrs from now). I hope by then I will still be able to read and handle the counters!

Thanks to everybody that kindly replied. Now I know who to blame if I own one more game!

Mark
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