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Randolph Bookman
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Both sound good. Does either have a cool mechanic or gameplay that sets it apart from other games or something that makes it a must have?
 
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Kevin Duffy
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I much prefer Yspahan. Metropolys is the first Ystari I've traded away. Personally, I like the dice in Yspahan and it feels less abstract (although they are both pretty dry). Metro. is almost a perfect information abstract (except for the hidden goals a player has). Yspahan is more tactical, adapting to the dice roll.
 
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Arthur Rutyna
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I've played both and like both of them a lot. I would go with Metropolys, just because I'm not a big fan of dice rolling. I also like the bidding/bluffing element in Metropolys.
 
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Kevin Duffy
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DD

I like dice = I prefer Yspahan

Arthur doesn't like dice = prefers Metropolys.

So Randy, do you like dice??!!
 
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Brad Champeny
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I like both. Metropolys is a good game, just a really busy board that didn't need to be.
 
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Mike B
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I like both too. I prefer Metropolys because of the bluffing/hidden agenda thing. And I actually like the artwork for Metropolys better!

Both games can be played pretty fast, and are reasonably suitable for both newbies as experienced players. Both are typical "eurogames" though, both not as "samey" as a lot of games that have been put out the last couple of years.
 
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Justin Robben
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I truly like Metropolys a LOT better...

In fact, the other game mentioned is the only Ystari game I don't really care for, all that much.
By far my least favorite of the awesome lot they have produced, thus far.
 
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Steve Duff
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Yspahan isn't really a "dice" game in the traditional sense. Since all players choose from the same dice roll, it doesn't feel like "you're rolling well and I'm rolling crap".

I like the game a lot. I haven't played Metropolys though.
 
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J S
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I also prefer Yspahan to Metropolys, I don't really care for the latter.
 
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Tony Chen
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Metro is an abstract. That's why I love it.
 
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J C Lawrence
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I'm quite enjoying Metropolys. I wasn't impressed with Yspahan at all.

Metropolys is effectively a trick-taking card game as an auction game with a board. Each auction (trick) is about brinksmanship (Will he commit heavily enough to outbid you, and if he does, will you?), timing (commit now or wait for something better?) and positional advantage (not only dead ends but managing other player's hands). In many ways this process is rather Ra-like. Just like the low Sun tokens in Ra drive the bidding, forcing other players to commit early for something probably not worth their higher value Suns or they let you have a great set of tiles and probably a good Sun tile for the next round for near free. Arghh, I must bid but I really don't want to! That's Metropolys.
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Chris Linneman
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Looking at your top 10, I have a feeling you will enjoy the spatial aspect of Metropolys. It is similar to Louis XIV and Mykerinos in that there is a lot of really important tactical piece placement in the game. Metropolys has you make anticipatory moves based on your knowledge about the other players, their goals, and what they are capable of. It is somewhat similar to In the Shadow of the Emperor in this respect.

Personally, I like both games with a preference for Metropolys as Yspahan got old after 5-10 plays. There seemed to be only one strategy, whereas the hidden goals and more importantly the people you play with will make every Metropolys game different.

I do think Yspahan is better with 2 players (using the official variant).

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