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If you want updates on when new polls are posted, or want to look at the results of prior polls, I have set up a subscription thread here = http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/328439

Poll: The 34th TGIF Poll
In general, which of these statements most closely reflects your feelings about Reiner Knizia's games?
  Your Answer   Vote Percent Vote Count
I almost always love any game that he designs
4.0% 10
I tend to like a fair amount of his games
58.6% 146
He's very hit or miss with me
28.9% 72
There are very few games he has designed that I enjoy
6.8% 17
I don't really care for his game designs
1.6% 4
Voters 249
Which of Knizia's top 20 ranked games on BGG have you enjoyed?

(Do not answer for games you haven't played!)
  Love It Like It Don't Like It Hate It Vote Count
Tigris & Euphrates 42.1% (72) 38.6% (66) 13.5% (23) 5.8% (10) 171
Ra 46.6% (88) 41.3% (78) 9.5% (18) 2.6% (5) 189
Samurai 32.9% (53) 49.7% (80) 11.8% (19) 5.6% (9) 161
Taj Mahal 42.5% (45) 36.8% (39) 11.3% (12) 9.4% (10) 106
Modern Art 25.8% (42) 53.4% (87) 14.7% (24) 6.1% (10) 163
Amun-Re 45.9% (56) 41.0% (50) 6.6% (8) 6.6% (8) 122
Lord of the Rings: The Confrontation 25.5% (27) 53.8% (57) 17.0% (18) 3.8% (4) 106
Battle Line 41.4% (60) 46.9% (68) 9.0% (13) 2.8% (4) 145
Ingenious 38.0% (68) 49.7% (89) 10.6% (19) 1.7% (3) 179
Lord of the Rings: The Confrontation 28.0% (30) 52.3% (56) 14.0% (15) 5.6% (6) 107
Through the Desert 32.5% (54) 51.2% (85) 12.7% (21) 3.6% (6) 166
Blue Moon City 28.0% (35) 48.0% (60) 19.2% (24) 4.8% (6) 125
Dream Factory 28.2% (33) 58.1% (68) 12.0% (14) 1.7% (2) 117
Lost Cities 29.9% (64) 50.0% (107) 16.4% (35) 3.7% (8) 214
Medici 34.3% (35) 48.0% (49) 12.7% (13) 4.9% (5) 102
Carcassonne: The Castle 25.0% (28) 54.5% (61) 17.9% (20) 2.7% (3) 112
Schotten Totten 33.8% (25) 51.4% (38) 9.5% (7) 5.4% (4) 74
Blue Moon 25.2% (27) 40.2% (43) 24.3% (26) 10.3% (11) 107
Lord of the Rings 25.7% (38) 48.0% (71) 18.9% (28) 7.4% (11) 148
Ingenious: Travel Edition 23.0% (14) 45.9% (28) 23.0% (14) 8.2% (5) 61
Total Voters 257
This poll is now closed.   260 answers
Poll created by Blott
Closes: Thu Feb 26, 2009 6:00 am
My last question is one that you'll have to answer in a comment:
Reiner Knizia is often accused of pasting on themes very loosely. What Knizia game have you played (if any) where you most felt the theme?


Any discussion is encouraged.
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I suppose I would have to go with Lord of the Rings for the bonus question.
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Ingenious.

In all truth, the design and scoring is truly ingenious and that as a title and theme makes a hell of a lot more sense than the friggin camels in the desert all lining up.
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seppo21 wrote:
I suppose I would have to go with Lord of the Rings for the bonus question.

Well, you know that's the one I'm going to go with. As for the other questions: I generally at least like most of his game designs, and some of them I absolutely love. Out of his Top 20 ranked games, I've played only 5.

Ra - I didn't really like.
Ingenious - I love it.
Hollywood Blockbuster - I like it.
Lost Cities - I like it.
Lord of the Rings - Is my favorite game.
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Traumfabrik (Dream Factory), for two reasons:

1. Hollywood has a fantasy economy of costs anyway, and maybe the game's model isn't off any more than a "real" model.

2. Everyone wants to be in the credits of a movie (even if just Best Boy). At least Reiner rated himself appropriately.

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He's accused of pasting on themes, but at least with some of the ones I have played, the theme is tightly woven into the game.

For example: Modern Art, Lord of the Rings, Battle Line,

I think he has his games tied in no more or no less than many of the other designers. I think he gets tagged with that because of the vast amount of games he has out and his biggest game for years (T&E) is more abstract (but even there, the theme I feel is strong).

Again, Ben, nice list.


side note: I played all of the games above except for three (Taj Mahal LotR:TC Deluxe, and Blue Moon).
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for the bonus, I would say Hollywood Blockbuster, but I haven't really played a lot of Knizia's games. I like HB, I like Amun Re. Other than those, I can't say I have a lot to say.

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seppo21 wrote:
I suppose I would have to go with Lord of the Rings for the bonus question.


I have to agree. Starting with the Friends and Foes expansion, I did feel the theme.

Well no, actually Winner's Circle would probably be my answer over Lord of the Rings.
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Re: the bonus question.

I'll go with Blue Moon City. The theme is definitely pasted on, but the paste feels thicker, more viscous.

I've yet to play Lord of the Rings...
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For theme - LOTR Confrontation
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Ingenious for me. It starts as an abstract and is an abstract. The colors are helpful and draw in the casual gamer, but over repeated plays more layers are revealed.

Just got my first play of Tigris and Euphrates last week - look forward to more plays. Also, looking to get a play of Samurai in soon - I think I'd enjoy that one too.
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Blott wrote:
seppo21 wrote:
I suppose I would have to go with Lord of the Rings for the bonus question.

Well, you know that's the one I'm going to go with. As for the other questions: I generally at least like most of his game designs, and some of them I absolutely love. Out of his Top 20 ranked games, I've played only 5.

Ra - I didn't really like.
Ingenious - I love it.
Hollywood Blockbuster - I like it.
Lost Cities - I like it.
Lord of the Rings - Is my favorite game.


You haven't played Battle Line? Do yourself a favor and try it out. Great 2 player game. I like it lot more than Lost Cities.
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For theme - LOTR Confrontation


I strongly second this. I really feel the theme whenever I play this. The character's abilities mostly fit the real characters - Boromir's self-destruct, Sam's strength near Frodo, Frodo's slipperiness, the dumb but strong troll, the movement of the Nazgul and the Black Rider...
And the victory condition of Frodo getting to Mordor obviously fits perfectly, as well as Sauron catching Frodo.

Blue Moon City comes a close second, with the theme/mechanism of reconstructing buildings, and the character abilities (like "Flit" being able to fly, etc).
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You need a I haven't played it option.
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cscottk wrote:
You need a I haven't played it option.

I specifically left out the "I haven't played it" column, because there always ends up being more people that haven't played a game than those that have. So then that column just gets the majority on each game.
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You haven't played Battle Line? Do yourself a favor and try it out. Great 2 player game. I like it lot more than Lost Cities.

I know. Many of my geekbuddies have mentioned that this is a good game along with Schotten Totten. But I just don't play very many 2-player games.
 
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Stephenson's Rocket is pretty strongly themed.
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Theme - Tigris and Euphrates. It captures the ebb and flow of civilizations, different civilizations strengths and weakness, has a great system for wars and revolutions, and frequently gets criticized unfairly for having a pasted on theme.
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Blott wrote:
cscottk wrote:
You need a I haven't played it option.

I specifically left out the "I haven't played it" column, because there always ends up being more people that haven't played a game than those that have. So then that column just gets the majority on each game.


You're turning into a professional pollster, you know your stuff! Maybe a potential career, is that a lucrative line of work?
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I'll go with Lord of the Rings for the bonus.

I think you could have done with an Indifferent option between Like and Dislike. I found several games fitting into that option and tended to not vote on them although I had played.
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I answered hit or miss for the first question, but then going through the games, I guess I like more of them than not. I guess I would've liked an "it's ok" option. Some of his games I don't really like or dislike.

For the bonus question I pick Tigris & Euphrates. I think it really evokes the rise and fall of civilizations well.
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Lord of the Rings for best theme.

Also, I don't see Decathlon on the list. It's a free "press your luck" type dice game with different versions for the ten different Olympic Decathlon events. It's a lot of fun.
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    Knizia reminds me of Indian food. It's all good, but it's all based on the same spices.

    Some days I want Indian food, some days Mexican.

             Sag.


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SteveK2 wrote:
Stephenson's Rocket is pretty strongly themed.

+1.

And besides theme, it's not only one of my favorite Knizia games (and I'm in the love it category for most of those above), but one of my favorite games period.
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On the first question, I answered the middle option because there wasn't a "I don't care who the designer of a game is" selection.

For part 3: I was tempted to say Ingenious because it's designed as an abstract and therefore is a success in theme (or lack thereof). As I looked down the list of his top 20 games (I don't know other games he did, as I don't pay attention to author), I started thinking Ingenious was the right answer, as the games all failed miserably to invoke theme.

Then I saw Traumfabrik (Hollywood Blockbuster) and realized that he did succede in giving a game some theme in that one. Mind you, I don't need theme in a game, so it doesn't matter much to me.
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