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What is offensive? At what point do you become offended? This series of polls will pose various situations to see what's going on in your head when they occur.

I will explain where I'm going with this series at the end. So for now, just respond candidly and without too much thought. I'm not looking for calculated or politically correct responses, I'm looking for gut level responses. Remember - these polls are anonymous, so you can be candid. If you want to discuss the implications of these questions - that is welcome.

The usual poll humor is absent this time, but will return later on.

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What is offensive? Part #1

A fella is setting up a game. The game is played on a map of the world. The groups of people that inhabit the world are represented by various colors. The game explainer takes the playing pieces out of the box group by group, and sets them up on the board.

What I want to know, is if you become offended by the color choices at some point. Additionally, I’d like to know at which specific step you become offended. At what point do you say to your self – “I don’t like this”, or “This is wrong”. Not being offended is also an option. Also, if you can't really pin down what you're thinking or feeling, just select "other". This is the order in which he sets up the game:

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1. Greater Europe = Blue.
2. Britain = Purple.
3. North America = White.
4. Slavic Europe / USSR = Red
5. Mexico / South America = Brown.
6. Arabic / Semite = Tan
7. Asia = Yellow
8. Africa = Black

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At what point do you become offended?

  Your Answer   Vote Percent Vote Count
1. Greater Europe = Blue.
0.7% 2
2. Britain = Purple.
0.7% 2
3. North America = White.
0.3% 1
4. Slavic Europe / USSR = Red
0.0% 0
5. Mexico / South America = Brown.
2.8% 8
6. Arabic / Semite = Tan
0.0% 0
7. Asia = Yellow
2.8% 8
8. Africa = Black
2.4% 7
9. I don’t become offended at all.
86.8% 249
10. Other.
3.5% 10
Voters 287
This poll is now closed.   287 answers
Poll created by falloutfan
Closes: Thu Apr 16, 2009 6:00 am




 
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Its not that I don't get offended at all.

I don't get offended by things like this at all.
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Does this player also like Puerto Rico, then?
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I don't become offended at all, but at about point 7 I start mocking them.
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Other...no green!?!?!?! angry


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I would not be offended at all, but would probably add some remark like - "Why does Black always have to be last?"
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is there a black token?
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What color does he use for the handicapped pieces?
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JaggedTech wrote:
I don't become offended at all, but at about point 7 I start mocking them.


Exactly. It's not offensive, it's just silly to color code continents in a vaguely racial way. It's certainly not a great memory aid: "Oh right, yellow is Asia, because they're all yellow there!" I don't see how it adds much to the game. It does evoke racial differences though, and why would you want to do that while playing a game?
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Geosphere wrote:
Its not that I don't get offended at all.

I don't get offended by things like this at all.


Neither do I. I quizzed my wife, and she kind of looked at me blankly. She said: "They're just colors".

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nix342 wrote:
Other...no green!?!?!?! angry




Martians?
 
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falloutfan wrote:
nix342 wrote:
Other...no green!?!?!?! angry




Martians?


Last time I checked, British people weren't purple.
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JohnRayJr wrote:
JaggedTech wrote:
I don't become offended at all, but at about point 7 I start mocking them.


Exactly. It's not offensive, it's just silly to color code continents in a vaguely racial way. It's certainly not a great memory aid: "Oh right, yellow is Asia, because they're all yellow there!" I don't see how it adds much to the game. It does evoke racial differences though, and why would you want to do that while playing a game?


Let's say that for the sake of this exercise that we don't know the person well enough to know exactly why he color coded the countries this way.

 
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Yeah, I'm wondering why Britain is purple and the rest of Europe is blue in this setup. USSR also doesn't really fit the mold, since its color is symbolizing an ideology. I might be a little troubled if North America came last and was white (which would imply that the designers are ignoring a gigantic part of NA's population).
 
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is there a black token?

The robber is black.

Which makes me wonder why Settlers of Catan isn't played in an urban setting.
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nix342 wrote:
falloutfan wrote:
nix342 wrote:
Other...no green!?!?!?! angry




Martians?


Last time I checked, British people weren't purple.


It's funny how the mind goes there - isn't it? We look at the set of colors, and think things like "Purple and blue don't make sense".

In some respects, the color choices seem arbitrary, in other respects, they seem calculated. Some of the choices seem to be following a particular thought pattern. Others do not.

Not knowing the intentions or thoughts of the designer, where does the mind go? What's the first thought? The "blink of an eye" gut reaction?

Given time - someone will consider the poll itself. Wondering about MY intentions?

Am I trolling?

Starting a fight?

Stirring things up?

Merely curious?

Looking for thumbs?

Interested in how people think?

Keying off of Pete Belli's post about choosing yellow to represent Asians?

Maybe that would be an interesting poll itself!

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Green is clearly reserved for the Irish, which if they sober up, should appear around turn four.
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falloutfan wrote:
nix342 wrote:
falloutfan wrote:
nix342 wrote:
Other...no green!?!?!?! angry




Martians?


Last time I checked, British people weren't purple.


It's funny how the mind goes there - isn't it?


You went there first!
 
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falloutfan wrote:
JohnRayJr wrote:
JaggedTech wrote:
I don't become offended at all, but at about point 7 I start mocking them.


Exactly. It's not offensive, it's just silly to color code continents in a vaguely racial way. It's certainly not a great memory aid: "Oh right, yellow is Asia, because they're all yellow there!" I don't see how it adds much to the game. It does evoke racial differences though, and why would you want to do that while playing a game?


Let's say that for the sake of this exercise that we don't know the person well enough to know exactly why he color coded the countries this way.


Fine, but how does that change my question? It's good for a laugh but then I imagine you reach the point where every time you pull out the game, you have to go through the obligatory "laugh at inexplicable race-color correlation." It becomes stale, like "wood for sheep."

What I'm saying is that it adds a dimension to the game that has nothing to do with the game. It's not offensive. It's meaningless but invites comment, which is another way of saying it distracts away from the game.
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falloutfan wrote:
nix342 wrote:
falloutfan wrote:
nix342 wrote:
Other...no green!?!?!?! angry




Martians?


Last time I checked, British people weren't purple.


It's funny how the mind goes there - isn't it? We look at the set of colors, and think things like "Purple and blue don't make sense".

In some respects, the color choices seem arbitrary, in other respects, they seem calculated. Some of the choices seem to be following a particular thought pattern. Others do not.

Not knowing the intentions or thoughts of the designer, where does the mind go? What's the first thought? The "blink of an eye" gut reaction?

Given time - someone will consider the poll itself. Wondering about MY intentions?

Am I trolling?

Starting a fight?

Stirring things up?

Merely curious?

Looking for thumbs?

Interested in how people think?

Keying off of Pete Belli's post about choosing yellow to represent Asians?

Maybe that would be an interesting poll itself!

ninja




Don't be too generous on yourself now.
 
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Don't be too generous on yourself now.


You complete me.

 
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1) Not offended.

2) What was the designer's/publisher's rationale for including those colors?

3) Wargames have done 'color coding' ever since Baby Blue and Hot Pink went out of style.
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JohnRayJr wrote:
It does evoke racial differences though, and why would you want to do that while playing a game?


What's wrong with simply evoking racial differences? It is reality that the different races of the world are...uh...different appearing. Sure, we can get all after-school-specialish and say we are all the same on the inside but as long as nobody is being derogatory there is nothing wrong with simply representing racial differences in games-- yes even by color.

As the song goes..

"Red or Yellow, Black or White, they are precious in His sight"
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I'm surprised North America isn't red. It's the country of the indians, right?
 
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I'm offended because I always play yellow, but I may not want to play Asia.
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