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Allison dlr
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I thought I'd put this up to the masses and see what you guys do in this scenario:

Say you're playing a game with end-of-game scoring, such as Carcassonne, Agricola, or Ticket to Ride. Often these games include a scoring track. So you finish out the last turn, then start adding to everyone's score. Let's say Player A's final score is 50 points. Then Player B starts adding up... he hits 50 and he's still got X number of farms/bonus points/train tickets to add. It's now obvious that Player B has won the game.

Do you finish counting and determine EXACTLY how much Player B beat Player A by? Or do you just say Player B has won and save player A some dignity?

I find this is something I encounter more in two-player games, when you don't have to determine everyone's placement - you have one winner and one loser. Personally, I like to know what my exact score was. On the other hand, if I obviously crushed my opponent, sometimes I feel like continuing to count up points is a form of gloating. Especially if sometime while scoring, the losing player says "Oh, you totally won."


Let's assume the losing player is not the type to have a hissy fit after losing. This is not a thread about letting your spouse win.


So, geeks, do you need to know the final score? Or do you think it's more courteous to end the scoring once it's obvious who's won?
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I do not need to and think it discourteous to rub the loser's nose in the loss if one does not need to. I would prefer to not work it out when obvious. Pretty obvious, by necessity, because if there is any doubt you have to ring it up.

This is not the majority opinion in my gaming group and it is not one I think worth fighting for. So generally we do score all the points up.

I note that I am likely to still want to do so when I am brand new to a game to get a better understanding of how the scoring system works and what certain sets of actions lead to pointwise. But once past that stage...
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I like to finish scoring, for the sole reason that it would be a shame to throw away perfectly good data.


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We always count. certainly, not to rub the loser's nose in it but to see how the game played out. We tend to count the leader's points first in a game like Carcassonne so there is some degree of mystery till the end.

I think it gives you a better feel for the game to see all the scores and in some cases may even point out a design flaw if you see certain score patterns occur time and time again.
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I stop counting when my fiancée begins to threaten that she'll never play the game again if I continue.
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Umm, yeah, we finish scoring...if the sissy loser can't take it, he / she shouldn't be playing grown up games.
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It depends on the game, and, often, it also depends on how we're tallying the score.

In a game like Agricola, everyone likes to know their score so they can compare it against their previous scores - I think in Agricola, score is often a fairly good indicator of how well you played (not always, but it's better than in some games).

Occasionally in Carcassonne, when I can look at the table and see that I've won, I'll total my score like this: When I tally final scores, I'll usually tally the other player's score first, to let them feel they're winning for a bit. Then I'll add up all the points I still have on the table at once before adding it to my score on the scoring-track. That way, I get to total my score without appearing to gloat (I am still gloating, but I'm doing it on the inside).

Generally though, I'm happy winning, without knowing the final score. In some games, the actual score isn't all that meaningful, since it can vary so much from game to game.
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I have had games end by resignation -- then we don't count things out. Otherwise, we generally count things out.
 
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We always finish scoring. My wife needs to know by how much she slaughtered us.
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I think I pretty much always finish the scoring. Your score can be a reference for yourself as to how well you did compared to usual. It's something to try beat next time. Also I usually have many times when I'll realise I've forgotten some particular aspect of the scoring and that the game is actually closer than you realise. But I would leave it up to the individuals in the game. If someone was trailing by a loooong way then I certainly wouldn't insist that they score it if they didn't want to.
 
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Only when the clear winner is me.
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Wait... gloating is bad?
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Or do you think it's more courteous to end the scoring once it's obvious who's won?


Maybe it's my background as a go player, but I find it more corteous to count all the points.
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I tend to avoid it in 2 player games, but with more players our game group tends to lean toward final score of all players.
Consensus is, you do not know if you are improving in some games should you never know your scores. Will note it is more relevant to male players than female players.
 
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If you don't count points when you lose, how can you tell when you start getting better?
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Nope. We just wrap up if it's obvious someone's already won. That's one of my main gripes with the use of the ubiquitous (particularly among Euro games) Victory Point winning condition for games. It tends to under-dramaticize exciting last-minute victories and/or the sudden revelatory victories.
 
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In carcassonne, we always finish out the scoring.

While one person may be dominating, a lot of smaller fields and partial cities can make a huge difference. We've had everybody do a "huh?" moment when the leader ends up losing by 3 points.

We've also had situations where one person really did blow people away. I'm reading off the scores and I'll read off from lowest to highest... when I get to the highest, I'll say "with the most points, X wins." They won't let me get away with that. They want to know the final score. NOT the winner... the losers. They don't want to be coddled.
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BeatPosse wrote:
If you don't count points when you lose, how can you tell when you start getting better?


Great observation!
 
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I don't score. Walk away - if they've won, they've won. I also get irritated with people who need to expound on their winning strategies unasked. If someone's generally interested, sure - let them ask.

I also tend to avoid games where the scoring takes as long as the playing, as well as games where you get held in the game as artificially life supported zombie, filling a chair. Just eliminate me, and tell me to go get snacks for people ready!
 
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nachof wrote:
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Or do you think it's more courteous to end the scoring once it's obvious who's won?


Maybe it's my background as a go player, but I find it more corteous to count all the points.

If a game of go is an obvious blowout, I have frequently seen go players not bother counting it all once it's obvious (e.g. we've counted the loser's score, and now the winner's score has already surpassed it and there's a lot more to go).

By default I finish scoring unless all players show agreement that there's little point to finishing the counting. Sometimes I'm curious to do the ritual and see the exact points; sometimes I'm not.
 
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If it's me and my wife, then YEAH we finish scoring!

Of course, we also have a family trophy that goes on the winner's nightstand...



We need the scoring so that everything's official (it also makes gloating easier, which is the purpose of the trophy)

Edit: Trophy is currently on MY nightstand, in case anyone's interested!
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We always finish scoring. Especially if I lost. I like to know what margin I'm trying to overcome for the next game. I like to chart my progress. If I clearly won, I mention the final score only if people want to know it.
 
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Of course. Gotta see if we beat a personal best (did that last night with 88 in Yahtzee Free for All), and I always record my games here with scores.

We never score Ticket to Ride routes until the game ends. I guess because the first time we played we didn't, and we've never gotten in the habit of doing it. I figure there's also the potential of forgetting to score a route, which you wouldn't do if you do them all together at the end.
 
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Almost always. You need to know who came second and so on and (taking Tocket to Ride as the example) people often want to know "if I hadn't taken that last ticket, would I have won?".

As for rubbing noses in it, for TtR you haven't rubbed someone's nose in it until you've lapped them (score over 100 more). Done it once in TtR, and once in the German version.

Scoring for trains during the game is a must, because I need to know what the scoring difference is in order to judge whether I need to draw tickets again. The last person who suggested at the end got very short shrift. (And yes, when it's down time I check them.) Scoring tickets, start with the player with fewest points - keeps the most interest alive at that point.
 
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Yes. And sometimes we find out that the clear winner was someone other than we thought it would be.
 
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