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If not, why not?

What about a single president or an openly gay president?

What other factors - aside from policy or party - would influence you to vote for or not vote for a particular candidate?

 
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Yes, yes, and yes, if they convinced me they were the candidate who best reflected my positions on the issues.
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I would vote for any of the above, although in a primary, being openly atheist or gay would make a case for electability difficult
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jessitron wrote:
I would vote for any of the above, although in a primary, being openly atheist or gay would make a case for electability difficult


You're quite generous. Being atheist would make a candidate completely unelectable by the general populous. It's horribly hypocritical, but it's the truth.

To your average American, freedom means "freedom to be like me."
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jessitron wrote:
I would vote for any of the above, although in a primary, being openly atheist or gay would make a case for electability difficult


You mean because of how it would influence other (the majority of?) voters?
 
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Yep, if they promised to dismantle this crappy government we have now.
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Yep, if they promised to dismantle this crappy government we have now.


Anyone who belives a candidate who says this, come talk to me. I have some ocean front property in Arizona for you.
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Being atheist would make a candidate completely unelectable by the general populous. It's horribly hypocritical, but it's the truth.


I can't understand why this is - in the UK religious affiliation has little to no bearing on voting patterns. What is it that makes it such a big deal in the US? Just the sheer number of voters?
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Shushnik wrote:
quozl wrote:
Yep, if they promised to dismantle this crappy government we have now.


Anyone who belives a candidate who says this, come talk to me. I have some ocean front property in Arizona for you.


I have this curse that I believe what people say. I'm trying to get better. So how cheap is this property you're selling?
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Shushnik wrote:

To your average American, freedom means "freedom to be like me."


Wouldn't you rather elect someone like yorself? Then you know you're ideals and freedoms will be protected. Elections never work out that way, because no candidate can ever be that perfect for each person.

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col_w wrote:
Shushnik wrote:
Being atheist would make a candidate completely unelectable by the general populous. It's horribly hypocritical, but it's the truth.


I can't understand why this is - in the UK religious affiliation has little to no bearing on voting patterns. What is it that makes it such a big deal in the US? Just the sheer number of voters?


Number of undereducated voters, history of bigotry against just about anything different, tiny minority of athiests in general. Take your pick, there are many reasons. The polls are conclusive, though, being an athiest is the worst thing a political candidate can admit in this country.
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Shushnik wrote:
being an athiest is the worst thing a political candidate can admit in this country.


So this means that, in general, Americans believe that belief in God makes you a better leader?
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col_w wrote:
Shushnik wrote:
being an athiest is the worst thing a political candidate can admit in this country.


So this means that, in general, Americans believe that belief in God makes you a better leader?


One could draw that conclusion, yes.
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If being openly atheistic is their platform then no. I would totally vote for a kick ass president that also happens to be an atheist. But I would never vote for some one based on their religious beliefs.
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col_w wrote:
Shushnik wrote:
being an athiest is the worst thing a political candidate can admit in this country.


So this means that, in general, Americans believe that belief in God makes you a better leader?


It goes back to the mistaken conviction that if you don't have a god holding the threat of eternal damnation over your head, you'll never act ethically.
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Oh hell yes.
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bjlillo wrote:
col_w wrote:
I can't understand why this is - in the UK religious affiliation has little to no bearing on voting patterns. What is it that makes it such a big deal in the US? Just the sheer number of voters?


Cause we're not all godless heathens like you Europeans.




Ok, but the original question stands. I see you sporting a Christian microbadge. Would you vote for an openly atheist president, and if not why not?
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If being openly atheistic is their platform then no. I would totally vote for a kick ass president that also happens to be an atheist. But I would never vote for some one based on their religious beliefs.


QFT.

Now, if I found out that the President played Descent, I'd switch parties and vote for him in a SECOND!!!

Unless he was Libertarian. Those guys are creeeeepy.


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It goes back to the mistaken conviction that if you don't have a god holding the threat of eternal damnation over your head, you'll never act ethically.


I think most religious people wpould tell you that's not why religious people act ethically!
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No. I hate throwing away my vote, so I'm always going to vote for a major party candidate. No major party is within a decade or two of nominating a godless heathen, closeted gay (single) or openly gay candidate.

If one did, then sure.
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Wouldn't you rather elect someone like yorself? Then you know you're ideals and freedoms will be protected. Elections never work out that way, because no candidate can ever be that perfect for each person.


This wasn't addressed to me specifically, but I'll just say "no, I would rather vote for almost any sort of person other than myself."
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col_w wrote:
Shushnik wrote:
Being atheist would make a candidate completely unelectable by the general populous. It's horribly hypocritical, but it's the truth.


I can't understand why this is - in the UK religious affiliation has little to no bearing on voting patterns. What is it that makes it such a big deal in the US? Just the sheer number of voters?


I'll throw out a possible (maybe even plausible) explanation...

People like to elect people who are like themselves. The US is such a hodgepodge of cultures that its nearly impossible to say 'that's American, that's like me!'. (What is a typical American anyways?) As such, they latch onto the only thing that they can say they have in common with their fellow citizens - religion. If a candidate declares himself absent of religion, he's essentially saying he has no connection to the people he's suppose to represent - that is, he says he's unelectable.

I'm always a little surprised when countries with much less cultural diversity and smaller populations are surprised that the US is not more homogeneous. Getting 3 people to agree on an identity is hard enough - how are you going to get 300 million to agree.

On a related note, China dwarfs the US in both population and cultural diversity. It seems to have solved this problem by making everyone elected from 1 party.
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joebelanger wrote:
If being openly atheistic is their platform then no.


What do you mean by that? Do you mean someone whose equivalent of "Change we can believe in" was "God's something we should not believe in"?

Can you give an example of a candidate whose religious beliefs were "their platform" in the way you're thinking of for an atheist? I could see Mike Huckabee, Alan Keyes or Pat Robertson fitting the bill.
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Chad_Ellis wrote:
No. I hate throwing away my vote, so I'm always going to vote for a major party candidate.


Now that's a contradiction!
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quozl wrote:
Chad_Ellis wrote:
No. I hate throwing away my vote, so I'm always going to vote for a major party candidate.


Now that's a contradiction!


I think you're confusing terms. Throwing away a vote usually refers to voting for someone you know cannot possibly be elected. When you vote for a major party candidate it's referred to as flushing your vote down the toilet.
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