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Not too long ago on Facebook I was sent a dumb set of preferences, one of those things you fill in and send to your friends in an effort to better understand them (or perhaps generate activity and advertising revenue for Mark Z). There were things like Simpsons or Family Guy? Smooth or Crunchy? and there was Cluedo or Monopoly? At the time I wanted to put - 'Diplomacy' but I didn't fill it in at all.

So being new back in the gaming scene I'm interested in what the gamers view of what the question should have been. It may help me understand the gaming world as there are so many games published in the last 20 years I'm having a hell of a job catching up lost time.

I suspect it's something wargamey - versus something about building.Of course it might be abstract versus thematic.

So it might be Memoir 44 OR Carcasonne?

If it's not too insulting to reduce gaming to a or b - the polar opposites, what is it?

And I apologise if this thread has happened before - I did try and check but couldn't find one.
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Twilight Imperium or Caylus? (or Puerto Rico?)

Or maybe Axis & Allies vs. Settlers? (since these two games are much more widely known)
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Agricola or Puerto Rico

Catan or Carcassonne
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SamNzed wrote:
If it's not too insulting to reduce gaming to a or b - the polar opposites, what is it?


"Cluedo or Monopoly" isn't really polar opposites tho, it's more just 2 very famous mass-market games. So I agree with Thijs, the equivalent gamer question is "Catan or Carcassonne?". (The answer, of course, is Carc).
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Monopoly or Settlers of Catan.
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Harv wrote:
Jonny5 wrote:
"Cluedo or Monopoly" isn't really polar opposites tho, it's more just 2 very famous mass-market games. So I agree with Thijs, the equivalent gamer question is "Catan or Carcassonne?". (The answer, of course, is Carc).
Although if the OP means 'what are the two opposing camps in the specialist board game world?' the answer is 'there are three: Euros, Ameritrash, and Wargames'.


Sorry. You've totally forgotten abstracts. I submit that most anything from Kadon Enterprises, for example, qualifies as "specialist," even more so than Euros and AT games, and maybe even more so than Wargames, judging from the fact that abstract gamers appear to be a fringe microcosm of this larger fringe microcosm that we have going here, much as math geeks are a pretty small subset of all educated persons. So, for example, history buffs go for a rich theme, whereas math lovers enjoy combinatorial geometry. Consider that only about 700 users on BGG own Tantrix, under 300 own Trax, and only about 230 own Octiles, whereas about ten times as many as that pathetic number own Metro alone, never mind all the other rail or transportation themed twisty path games.

So... Go or El Grande? ... Go of course.
Heck, for that matter, how about ... Go or Chess? ... Go again.

And, as a notable subset of abstracts, you've got word games - no theme, no chrome, just pure mechanics (Ooh! I get all warm and fuzzy just saying those words!). So...

WildWords or WRDZ? ... Tough choice, but I think it has to go to WRDZ.

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As for Facebook? Nobody would know what the hell you're talking about!


How true. So you could tantalize them by invoking some mass-market names that make other useful points. For example:

Risk or Diplomacy? ... Diplomacy, natch.
Monopoly or Acquire? ... It goes without saying, Acquire.
Rummikub or Mahjong? ... Mahjong.
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Harv wrote:

As for Facebook? Nobody would know what the hell you're talking about!


agreed.

For example, I started participating in the living social pick 5 deals. You pick your favorite beers, movies, sports teams, etc.

There is one set for board games.

I tried to add my favorite game, Air Baron. Well, it's not that popular, so I understood when it wasn't there. I tried to add my #2 game, which is a little more popular. You may have heard of Power Grid. Did this facebook app? No. Power Grid has a fan page, but it's not listed in the top 5 thing. So I go to my 3, Acquire and whaddya know it's listed. Long and short of it, only 2 of my top ten games were available for selection, with no option to add. A friend of mine had a great quote about it -- "If ONLY there were - say - an online database where people could go to see the...I don't know...top 10, 50 or 100 boardgames."

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Poll: To try and get 50/50 splits.....
1. For the "real" world:
  Cribbage Chess
Choose:
  Poker Billiards
Choose:
  Yahtzee Racko
Choose:
  Chess Battleship
Choose:
  Mahjong Bridge
Choose:
6. For we gamers:
  Memoir Battlelore
Choose:
  Stone Age Pillars of the Earth
Choose:
  C&C Ancients Hold the Line
Choose:
  Agricola Puerto Rico
Choose:
  Battleline Lost Cities
Choose:
  Carcassonne Settlers of Catan
Choose:
      30 answers
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Another useful dichotomy could be that between cooperative and backstabbing games, for example:

(Pandemic, Arkham Horror, etc.) or (Diplomacy, Machiavelli, etc.)?

and so on. I realize, as well, that the two word games I picked above don't really make a dichotomy of any sort. They are much too similar for that. So, from the word game universe, maybe choices like

Wordigo or WRDZ?
Unspeakable Words or Quiddler?

would be more useful instead.
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capt yid wrote:
For we gamers:
Choose: Stone Age | Pillars of the Earth


Blech! Can I abstain?
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So given all this I'm getting

Diplomacy versus Carcasonne? Both strong themed and involving strategy.
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Memoir versus Carcasonne

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Harv wrote:

So do you mean:

1: What should the question be for the general public on Facebook?
2: What should the question be for board game geeks on Facebook?
3: What should the question be for board game geeks on BoardGameGeek.com?

My answers:

1: Chess or Poker?
2: Chess or Risk?
3: Eurogame or Ameritrash?


yeah sorry - my interest is board game geeks on boardgamegeek.com

Over the last years I have seen the odd game, walking into shops that sold them whenever I had the chance. That was how, for example, I first came into contact with I'm the Boss.
My reason for asking is ultimately to find out what games I will like and what the range looks like now. Seriously when I last played regularly Illuminati was newish, everyone who gamed had Kingmaker and Diplomacy or Axis and Allies were the ultimate games. I've missed shitloads.

From your a or b - I like some Ameritrash but probably like Eurogames better. I've been spending hours reading posts and when I see people who say things I might say I check out their collections and preferences.





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The Facebook thing was one of those times I was reminded how many great games there are and how dumb the question was.

Junta is my favourite game but I am sure there are things I'll like just as much when I find them.
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Monopoly or Catan


That's nasty! I like it. devil
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BTW For non gamers I love this:

Harv wrote:
1: Chess or Poker?
 
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Harv wrote:

Ah okay, I got the impression that you were a long-time BGG user who was making us aware of something the muggles were up to on Facebook. I don't know if that's a compliment or an insult to you! laugh

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I'll go for compliment. One of the reasons I stopped playing is I moved cities and whenever I invited people to play something I got weird looks and really dumb excuses or distractions; often counter-offers. So to many people I know it wouldn't be.

Though over those 20 years I did aquire Risk, Carcasonne (+ expansions, + the Castle) a second copy of Poleconomy, 7 or 8 x How to Host a Murder, Bohnnanza (twice) and find some of my childhood games. Over those years I can count on my fingers the number of games I actually played.
 
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