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I am trying to put together the .png files for an Artscow deck but here is what I am running into:

There are 13 cards with different backs (poison, rules, gold, etc...) Does that mean I need to order 13 different decks with 54 copies of each card? Or is there another way to get these individual type cards printed.

Along with this I am trying to gauge how much interest is out there for an Artscow run of this game. It seems that the Island of D 2 went over very well so I would imagine we can get a few people on board. If the most efficient way to do this is to make multiple copies per deck (for example I can get 3 copies of the character cards in one 54 card deck) I would like to hear who would pick up a copy. Obviously we need to try and keep the price low, hence my fear that we need to make individual runs of the individual type cards.

Any suggestions or interested parties out there???

UPDATE: I have cut and cleaned up the all of the cards except the Power Cards. I should have those done tomorrow. I am also going to figure out the cheapest, most efficient combination of card sets from Artscow for those who are interested.

UPDATE 2: I have all of the cards clipped and cleaned up. I am now producing the Albums and card designs on Artscow. Hopefully I should have pricing estimates by the end of the day.

FINAL UPDATE: OK, so Graham (Uncle G) has beat me to the quick and produced a very nice set of Dungeon of D cards! cry His album can be found here:

http://www.artscow.com/ShareAlbum.aspx?Key=bkafby35

He hasn't gotten his first order yet but you would need to load his album into 2 sets of multi-purpose rectangular cards and adjust the zoom and such as you see fit. This will give you one complete set of the game for about $20 using the current coupon code (PLAYCARD377).

However, I just finished my own set of cards. cool

My efforts are split into several different albums and produces 3 complete sets of the game at once. Because my sets primarily use the playing cards instead of the multi-purpose rectangular cards, and using the current coupon code, you can order 3 complete games for only $39!!! laugh

I have also taken the time to clip and fill in all of the card borders with black so that no matter what you zoom to in the Artscow design editor, as long as you have black backgrounds your cards will look complete and clean. I believe Graham trimmed his cards but still retains the white corners of the original background.

I know some people have expressed interest in obtaining a set of these cards. I will update this post again when I receive my order and let people know if it is good enough to reproduce. If they are, I will also post a geeklist with links to my Artscow albums and more detailed instructions on how I produced my set using the Artscow design editor.

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Hi Chester, three options (not knowing the game myself)
1. Do you need different card backs or would it make things easier? You could just have the same back.
2. You could use the same back but leave a blank spot on the back that you color in to mark the individual decks.
3. You could order a multi-purpose learning deck (9.77 with the current deal) this allows individual fronts & backs of each individual card.

Hope that is helpful
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Thanks David.

Some of the individual cards are reversible and have icons and text on both sides so I don't think the first two options would work. I will investigate the learning deck.

Thanks for the advice!
 
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Depending on the price I would definitely be interested in picking up a copy.
 
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I am also interested.
 
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I am interested as well.
 
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I'm on board.
 
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Why not just print two cards to take the place of the one (reversible) card? Place the two cards back-to-back and you have the functional equivalent of one reversible card.

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I don't know if you're going to want to see this, but I've just finished my set of images for DoD (2 decks).

http://www.artscow.com/ShareAlbum.aspx?Key=bkafby35

Power cards need to be printed twice (NOT including the 4 power cards with the misc file name), and all the rest once only.

Many of the cards are designed to be double sided, so I think this only works with the multi purpose rectangular cards, with 54 front and 54 back images per set.

http://www.artscow.com/Create/ShowProduct.aspx?ProductId=394

I have also transferred the majority of the rule book to card form to use up the remaining allowance.

The card mix is:
18 Character Cards (with 1 back)
22 Miscellaneous Cards (with unique backs), of which
4 Power Cards (from the miscellaneous set)
18 Power Cards (first set)
18 Power Cards (second set)
18 Room Cards

9894 Cards Subtotal

I have then prepared a copy of the Victory Card, which you're only supposed to have if you have completed the game, and ten rule cards. If you want the Victory card, leave out rule card 10a and 10b.

910 Rule Cards
1 Victory Card
3 character token cards

OR

10 Rule Cards

108 Total.

I have numbered the cards to help with matching fronts and backs together. Misc 03a Front and Misc 03b Back go together.

When I placed my order I left the majority of cards without zooming, but zoomed in 4 clicks on the rules cards.
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I was afraid this might happen...crap.

Oh well, have you received your set yet? How did it turn out. I think I am still going to run my set since I am almost done anyway. Maybe we can compare notes after...

I like your rules cards...also, where did you get the Victory Card. It wasn't included in the download I got from D's website.

Finally, how much did a complete set end up costing you and what was the best way to order them...did you just do multi-purpose rectangular cards for everything and order 2 decks to create one set?
 
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cvdellen wrote:
I was afraid this might happen...crap.

Oh well, have you received your set yet? How did it turn out. I think I am still going to run my set since I am almost done anyway. Maybe we can compare notes after...

I like your rules cards...also, where did you get the Victory Card. It wasn't included in the download I got from D's website.

Finally, how much did a complete set end up costing you and what was the best way to order them...did you just do multi-purpose rectangular cards for everything and order 2 decks to create one set?

If you can give me an email address I can send you the rules cards, and you can play around with them for yourself.

No cards yet - I've only just placed the order, but it will be interesting to compare notes.

I've been trying to remember where the victory card came from. Again, I can send you the files. From memory I think the link is given in the rule book from the islandofd website. You're only supposed to download it if you've won a game, but I figure I'm never going to get a single card made up on ArtsCow, so I might as well get it now.

With the special offer on at the moment, I bought two multi-purpose rectangular sets for $9.77 each, so the total cost came to a little under $20, which I'm very happy with (if it works). There are so many cards which require specialist backs there didn't seem to be any other way.
 
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Hi!

You will get the Victory card if you win the game (follow the epilogue link in the Manual, in 6. Winning and Losing).
The Victory Card is the back side of the Amulet of D'Eugor card, so the total cards are still 93 (The number of cards was written incorrectly in the Manual, I count again yesterday, it's 93).

Cheers!

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Edit: sorry, the correct number is 94. See below
 
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JackDarwid wrote:
Hi!

You will get the Victory card if you win the game (follow the epilogue link in the Manual, in 6. Winning and Losing).
The Victory Card is the back side of the Amulet of D'Eugor card, so the total cards are still 93 (The number of cards was written incorrectly in the Manual, I count again yesterday, it's 93).

Cheers!

JackD

Could you break down the 93 cards for me? Of the 98 cards I listed, 2 are the player aids, but that still leaves me with 96 cards from the downloads available on BGG. I need to lose another 3 somehow!
 
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UPDATE: the correct number is 94 (I forgot to count the Special Room).

You can see the breakdown in the Manual (3.Cards). Here it is:

Total 94 cards:
• 40 Power Cards
• 18+1 Room Cards
• 18 Character Cards
• 4 Monsters Cards
• 3 Upgrade Cards
• 2 Gold Cards
• 1 Poisoned! Card
• 1 Amulet of D’eugor / Victory Card
• 1 Fruits Card
• 1 Arrows Card
• 1 Level Card
• 1 Ending Card (You Lose / You Survive)
• 2 Rules Reminder Cards
Plus 1 token for the Character.

Note: the Victory card is the back side of the Amulet of D'Eugor Card

Cheers!

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JackDarwid wrote:
You can see the breakdown in the Manual (3.Cards). Here it is:

Total 93 cards:
• 40 Power Cards
• 18 Room Cards
• 18 Character Cards
• 4 Monsters Cards
• 3 Upgrade Cards
• 2 Gold Cards
• 1 Poisoned! Card
• 1 Amulet of D’eugor / Victory Card
• 1 Fruits Card
• 1 Arrows Card
• 1 Level Card
• 1 Ending Card (You Lose / You Survive)
• 2 Rules Reminder Cards
Plus 1 token for the Character.

Note: the Victory card is the back side of the Amulet of D'Eugor Card

Cheers!

JackD

OK - Thanks.

I know what I've done differently. In the cards download file their is a miscellaneous file (which contains the gold/fruits/arrows cards etc). This file contains 4 Power cards which I have assumed had to be printed twice (the same as for the Power Card download of 18 cards). This gives me 18x2=36 cards from the Power Cards download and 4x2=8 Power cards from the miscellaneous cards download, or 44 in total, instead of 40.

The last extra card to explain the 5 card difference between my 98 and your 93 is the extra Room card in the miscellaneous file.

Nice to have that cleared up.
 
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Uncle G wrote:
I don't know if you're going to want to see this, but I've just finished my set of images for DoD (2 decks).

http://www.artscow.com/ShareAlbum.aspx?Key=bkafby35

Power cards need to be printed twice (including the 4 power cards with the misc file name), and all the rest once only.

Many of the cards are designed to be double sided, so I think this only works with the multi purpose rectangular cards, with 54 front and 54 back images per set.

http://www.artscow.com/Create/ShowProduct.aspx?ProductId=394

I have also transferred the majority of the rule book to card form to use up the remaining allowance.

The card mix is:
18 Character Cards (with 1 back)
22 Miscellaneous Cards (with unique backs), of which
4 Power Cards (from the miscellaneous set)
18 Power Cards (first set)
18 Power Cards (second set)
18 Room Cards

98 Cards Subtotal

I have then prepared a copy of the Victory Card, which you're only supposed to have if you have completed the game, and ten rule cards. If you want the Victory card, leave out rule card 10a and 10b.

9 Rule Cards
1 Victory Card

OR

10 Rule Cards

108 Total.

I have numbered the cards to help with matching fronts and backs together. Misc 03a Front and Misc 03b Back go together.

When I placed my order I left the majority of cards without zooming, but zoomed in 4 clicks on the rules cards.

In light of my miscount on the power cards, I have added three cards to the album which could be cut up and used for character tokens.

The card count now is:
18 Character Cards (with 1 back)
22 Miscellaneous Cards (with unique backs) - of which 4 are Power cards.
18 Power Cards (first set)
18 Power Cards (second set)
18 Room Cards

94 Cards Subtotal

I have then prepared a copy of the Victory Card, which you're only supposed to have if you have completed the game, and ten rule cards. Finally, to use up the final three cards I have prepared some token cards which could be cut up and used for the character pieces.

10 Rule Cards
1 Victory Card
3 Character Token cards

108 Total.
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Reading your post, I realized I forgot to count the Special Room. The correct number is 94. I have corrected the cards breakdown, see above.

Sorry, it's been more than a year since the last time I really count the cards. shake

Cheers!

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Thanks for breaking up the pdfs for an artscow deck! I ordered mine last night. I ended up with 2 orders of rectangular cards. I hope I got everything right

Again, great game! I look forward to playing the "Artscow Version". My attempt is already showing its age.
 
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Sorry for being a 'noob' about this but just what is ArtsCow and how does it all work? I think I have the basic idea but I was hoping to get the lowdown from the gamer 'hive mind' here on the Geek.
 
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Brund the Decrepit wrote:
Sorry for being a 'noob' about this but just what is ArtsCow and how does it all work? I think I have the basic idea but I was hoping to get the lowdown from the gamer 'hive mind' here on the Geek.

ArtsCow is a website (www.artscow.com) which is run by a company which does bespoke printing on a variety of different products from key rings to photo books. You upload your own pictures into an album on the website and then design your own products.

One of the products ArtsCow offer is personalised playing cards (54 per set including Jokers). I think they were thinking in terms of people having photos of their friends and family on them, but for our purposes they are perfect for print and play card games.

Probably the best place to direct you are to these two URLs.

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/41583
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/386262

There is a special offer on at the moment where a deck of 54 cards with different images on the front but the same back will cost $5.77, and a deck with different images front and back will cost $9.77. The current code expires at the end of April, but there will probably be a new one - it isn't the first offer they've had this year.

Dungeon of D takes 2 x $9.77 the way I have done it, although it may be possible to do it cheaper if you aren't too worried about getting the right card backs on.
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Thank you Uncle G!
What a fantastic idea!
 
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Big thanks to Uncle G for sharing your Artscow album. Ordered mine last week from Artscow and it turned up yesterday (probably 8-9 days turn round)..

In terms of settings on artscow for the majority of cards I just hit the "reset" button, perhaps resizing a few here and there to get the black borders "right". Turned out really well - only one card with a slight white line down one side - must have missed that one :-(

Impressed by the print quality - cards themselves a little on the "thin" side - but will probably drop the cards into suitable sleeves which will help handling/wear.

Now to try the game out in anger....
 
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I got my order from ArtsCow today and was severely dissappointed. Not in the quality (which was good), but they printed all the same back on them. The design clearly had different backs and I confirmed that I ordered the multipurpose rectangle design needed. I wrote them back requesting remediation. I hope that they get back to me soon!
 
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