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So I was watching BBC America and they had a commercial with some girl going off script in her school play and telling us to expect more from our governemt. A bit hackneyed but I thought I would check out the sight -- www.thewaytohappiness.org.

This is a whole new type of crazy to me but the videos are pretty entertaining. I think I would swallow my tongue if they started teaching this in a school my son was attending.
 
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This is a sort of front organization for Scientology. Maybe you already knew that.
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This is a sort of front organization for Scientology. Maybe you already knew that.


I had no idea.
 
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This is a whole new type of crazy to me but the videos are pretty entertaining. I think I would swallow my tongue if they started teaching this in a school my son was attending.


Okay, I admit, I didn't watch the videos. Somewhere around here I have the original pamphlet from 1980 though. I couldn't find one of those things that I didn't work hard to teach my grown kids and I'm currently working hard to instill similar values in my 6 year old.

What's the problem? Which of those things don't you want your children to learn and/or aspire to?

*update*

I watched video #20 "Treat others as you would want them to treat you". Now I am totally mystified why you wouldn't want your kids learning or being exposed to this concept. Unless, you prefer to do it yourself, which is fine.
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This is a whole new type of crazy to me but the videos are pretty entertaining. I think I would swallow my tongue if they started teaching this in a school my son was attending.


Okay, I admit, I didn't watch the videos. Somewhere around here I have the original pamphlet from 1980 though. I couldn't find one of those things that I didn't work hard to teach my grown kids and I'm currently working hard to instill similar values in my 6 year old.

What's the problem? Which of those things don't you want your children to learn and/or aspire to?

*update*

I watched video #20 "Treat others as you would want them to treat you". Now I am totally mystified why you wouldn't want your kids learning or being exposed to this concept. Unless, you prefer to do it yourself, which is fine.


Well, I don't think any of the values they espouse are on their face wrong. However, the videos are cheap sloganeering and not really meaningful. Plus they are ridiculous...did you see the one where a kid pulls a gun on another student because a girl told a lie?

My town adopted a program a few years back that was similar. We had a value for each month that was summed up by a single word and a definition. This word was on billboards and newspapers in big bold letters. A college professor said it reminded him a great deal of when he visits China.

You are correct that I would rather be the one teaching my child what to value and hopefully I'd do it with a bit more finesse.
 
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DWTripp wrote:
What's the problem? Which of those things don't you want your children to learn and/or aspire to?


I feel the same way about those LDS PSA "commercials." They don't bring up their religion at all, they just give a nice little be-good-to-others type message.

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What's the problem? Which of those things don't you want your children to learn and/or aspire to?


I feel the same way about those LDS PSA "commercials." They don't bring up their religion at all, they just give a nice little be-good-to-others type message.



Yeah... I like those too. My view is that these churches are somewhat "obligated" to speak out and not have a direct recruitment tie-in to the message. Most of the PSA's I've seen sponsored by the LDS church probably seemed obvious to people who already make those efforts in their lives, but there are plenty of folks who don't get positive messages from friends and family.

I'm pretty neutral when considering the source. Also, I wouldn't object to any school my kid attends promoting these traits so long as there was no "hook" to a religion.
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Always made me wonder why televangelists spent so much money on extravagant studio sets and broadcast facilities to beam their healing services across the world, when a 15 second PSA would have done a much better job.


How would a PSA do a better job of generating income for the preacher?
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Always made me wonder why televangelists spent so much money on extravagant studio sets and broadcast facilities to beam their healing services across the world, when a 15 second PSA would have done a much better job.


How would a PSA do a better job of generating income for the preacher?


Generating personal income wasn't supposed to be the goal. Allegedly.


Yes.

Good works would be the point. Both the LDS church and Scientology have plenty of money. Both are tax free non-profit organizations. That's why, in my view anyway, they have an obligation to attempt good works with no direct connection to adding members or getting a tithe.

That's not to say that if you call about the LDS ads or respond to the Way to Happiness web site you won't be sent some materials as in inducement. I think that's okay too... it doesn't invalidate the message.
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Generating personal income wasn't supposed to be the goal. Allegedly.


But if you wonder why they do what they do, then you have to look at their real motivations.

Probably you were being a bit disingenuous.
 
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That's not to say that if you call about the LDS ads or respond to the Way to Happiness web site you won't be sent some materials as in inducement. I think that's okay too... it doesn't invalidate the message.


It's pretty clear that the purpose of the Way to Happiness is to spend tax-exempt money to suck people in and eventually convince them they need Scientology to suck money out of their wallets. Not much different than most churches, I'm not sure this sort of thing should be tax-exempt, but I use the charitable tax laws for my own purposes that other people might not agree with, I'm hardly going to throw stones.
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That's not to say that if you call about the LDS ads or respond to the Way to Happiness web site you won't be sent some materials as in inducement. I think that's okay too... it doesn't invalidate the message.


It's pretty clear that the purpose of the Way to Happiness is to spend tax-exempt money to suck people in and eventually convince them they need Scientology to suck money out of their wallets. Not much different than most churches, I'm not sure this sort of thing should be tax-exempt, but I use the charitable tax laws for my own purposes that other people might not agree with, I'm hardly going to throw stones.


Well, to be fair David... and we all know you value fairness... there are only two things a group can do: expand or contract. The goal of any organization is always to expand. The LDS ads have been around for quite a few years, which leads me to think that may be effective for the Mormon church. Not only is their message a good one for general use, but if it attracts new members to their church that's okay by me.
 
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Well, I don't think any of the values they espouse are on their face wrong. However, the videos are cheap sloganeering and not really meaningful. Plus they are ridiculous...did you see the one where a kid pulls a gun on another student because a girl told a lie?


The video seems pretty accurate to me....

Lie to me and I will fucking kill you!
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The goal of any organization is always to expand.


No, actually it isn't always that way.

Evolution tends to favor the organizations that seek to grow over those that don't, for obvious reasons. But there are lots of the latter type too.
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I thought those videos were great. Some were more effective than other. Some of them were silly and hyperbolic. I don't fault them for that. The format demands a degree of simplicity and hyperbole. Any organization that promotes healthy and positive values gets my approval. Seek out truth wherever it is to be found I say.

And David, your flippant dismissal of this is annoying to me. In your RSPer thread, you stated that you value volunteerism over menial paid work. That seems to indicate that you think there are values and works one should espouse and promote independent of concern for personal gain. Here we have an example of some organization that is promoting a values based lifestyle. In response you suppose they could only be doing so to line their pockets as if there could be no other motivation. What selfless cause do you promote? Is it equally worthy of dismissal? You say that Scientologists are behind it. I don't know one way or another. Whoever it is, they are promoting peace and prosperity. They do not deserve ridicule. They deserve praise. There isn't enough of this kind of thing.

Having said all of that, I do think that personal choices in personal lives are more powerful than PR campaigns ever can be.
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Aarrhh, too many to remember! Give me like, three things. I might remember three things.


You really only need two. Bill and Ted were kind enough to provide a complete guide to life.
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You say that Scientologists are behind it. I don't know one way or another.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Way_to_Happiness

Now you do.


Well there you go.

The LDS churches PSA campaign has been brought up here. The one point of criticism I would make relating to the OP is that The Way to Happiness is not up front about who they are like the LDS church is.
 
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The website does mention that it was written by L. Ron Hubbard however.
 
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You say that Scientologists are behind it. I don't know one way or another.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Way_to_Happiness

Now you do.


Well there you go.

The LDS churches PSA campaign has been brought up here. The one point of criticism I would make relating to the OP is that The Way to Happiness is not up front about who they are like the LDS church is.


I think that is a major consideration. I also think that the LDS PSAs were pretty benign. I mean they never started giving the Ten Commandments as ways to live...they were always more practical and addressed things that I think very few people would find objectionable.

But this seems different and a little creepy.
 
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SO tell me, why would I want to spend good money for an organization to tell me that the way to happiness is common sense?
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True. But I was starting to get interested in David's lecture on "organizations" that evolve and increase their survival potential through shrinking.

Buggy Whip manufacturers devolving into a niche hobby company?
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True. But I was starting to get interested in David's lecture on "organizations" that evolve and increase their survival potential through shrinking.

Buggy Whip manufacturers devolving into a niche hobby company?


Tripp--

If only you would have shrunk your game store than you would be the "King of Idaho" by now. Well, I guess hindsight is 20/20

 
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DWTripp wrote:
True. But I was starting to get interested in David's lecture on "organizations" that evolve and increase their survival potential through shrinking.


Huh? It's no wonder that threads get derailed when people lie about what I said. I wrote that there are many organizations that aspire to grow, and many that don't, and the ones that do aspire to grow tend to get favored, but there are still plenty of the latter despite that. There are lots of mom and pop stores that don't have any aspiration to grow into franchises, for example. The fact that franchises do tend to grow while the mom and pop stores don't doesn't mean the latter don't exist.
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