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benny275 wrote:
I'm looking for a graphic designer that isn't going to give me a hard time about the product and refuse to work on a project if he/she isn't interested in it. Suggestions?

I suggest you'll get better results from someone who's actually interested in your project.
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Why would they give you a hard time?

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Tell about what you're looking for (realistic art of Civil War battles re-enacted by household pets, etc.), and maybe see what people are interested in. People have done some amazing re-themes or re-imaginings of other games on a whim.
 
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It depends. If by "cheap" you mean free or a cut of the profits or something like that, then, as mentioned above, you need to find someone who is interested in the project.

On the other hand, if you are bidding the project out to a professional graphic artist, it should not really matter. You need go over portfolios to make sure the designer is experienced in the particular design direction you are heading, but as long as it's not porn or something objectionable a professional is a professional, subject should not matter or affect the quality of design.

Of course you get what you pay for. Good graphic artists are not cheap. You might look for a talented student right out of school who will work cheap for the portfolio booster of a real world project.
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Try one of the freelance sites out there. You'll get little complaining about whatever you ask them to do, and probably for a good price.
 
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Look at this thread before you do anything else. Get, and read, the GAG Handbook.

About the "on the cheap" bit... Hm.

I suppose you know about the three poles of good, cheap, and fast. If not, you ought to learn them now. They always trade off. Remember that if you veer too far in the direction of any of the extremes, you will most likely sacrifice the other two. So is cheap what you really want?

If so, you won't be dealing with a regularly practicing pro. You'll find someone at the bottom of the food chain, who is looking to develop their portfolio. Do you have an art school (commercial, not fine) in your area? If so, you may be able to find a new grad through their job listings, if they have them. That may be your best bet in terms of getting someone who can execute pro work.

My advice: don't go for cheap, unless you don't mind having your baby end up on this list.

One last thought: Do not confuse the professions of graphic design and illustration. The people that are good at each are specialized, and generally speaking, not suited for the other task. Be prepared to hire two artists, or hire a designer and allow him or her to sub out the illustration (and/or photography, which is yet another different beast).
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a graphic designer that isn't going to give me a hard time about the product and refuse to work on a project if he/she isn't interested in it.


Graphic designers don't need to be interested in their client's work. Typically, graphic designers get their work load after everything is developed -- at the point that it needs to be presented in a usable fashion. Interest at this point can work against the design opinion.


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Do not confuse the professions of graphic design and illustration.


Twenty years ago it was standard that all graphic designers have a foundation in illustration but with the advent of desktop publishing, anyone with photoshop or illustrator can do graphic design.

A quick breakdown of what the two are:
Illustration = explaining a story
Graphic Design = visual communication

Illustration is when you tell a story, graphic design is the way you make it appeal to the viewer.


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gsimpson wrote:
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Do not confuse the professions of graphic design and illustration.

Twenty years ago it was standard that all graphic designers have a foundation in illustration but with the advent of desktop publishing, anyone with photoshop or illustrator can do graphic design.

There's a big difference between "can do" and "can do well." Designers work with grids and typography. It's a much more geometric and analytic end of the graphic arts professions. Artists in the shops I have known really do specialize, and for good reason. You can usually tell when they have overextended themselves in the wrong direction.

Even the GAG recognises this, and has different special interest groups within the organization. And there are completely different "black books" devoted to each.

Graphic design is the higher-level of the two disciplines (not a value judgement, but a description of practice), in that illustrations, like photography, are elements that the designer places within the framework of the overall design. The designer may execute a thumbnail of the illustration as a way of communicating the rough idea of what the illustrator (or photographer) should do. Generally speaking, illustrators are far better renderers than designers, which is why they specialize in that direction. But the designer controls the top-level of the execution, often to the point of specifying the paper stock, and so on.

In a more metaphoric sense, the designer creates the skeleton of the piece, while the illustrators and/or photographers help him or her to put flesh on the bones.
 
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At the price you want to pay you're going to need to find someone that has interest in the project or is a student wanting a break to show off his work.

Most of my boardgame projects are either for myself that I share here or for friends. I have to have a vested interest in a game to do it for so little. But I have a good day job so the money is less important then enjoying doing the project.

Hopefully you can find that starving artist that wants to have a published game to use for his portfolio.
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Does your local university or community college have a graphics design program? How about looking into whether there is an option to post the job at the university, either at a general jobs board or through the department. Students will be eager to get some cash while building their portfolio at the same time. A paying job always looks better in a portfolio than projects they're doing for a class or in their free time. It shows to potential employers that their work is already of commercial quality.
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You could probably find any offshore shop to do this in india,china, indonesia at the low end of that price range. I haven't done that myself, but I would assume that you'd need to be the "designer" and you would need to do a lot of quality control to ensure you got want you wanted.

In the long run you will probably much better off finding someone local.

Elance.com and findafreelancer.com seem to good mechanisms to finding service providers that aren't local.

The advice has already been given, but you will really need to tighten up what you are looking for. Defining your scope, work items and artisitc direction will all be needed to get to a total package qoute from the designer, artists and layout that will be needed.
 
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