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I already own AoS and now I plan to pick up Steam. I'm wondering if it is worthwhile to keep AoS, or if I should just trade it in?

It might be nice to have both methods of play available as well as the two game boards. Has anyone mixed them up at all? How does each game play on the other game's base map?
 
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You should just give AoS to me.
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Not as good as owning Age of Steam and Planet Steam, but I guess it's ok...
 
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I'd say that's a rather personal question that depends on a lot of factors including, but not limited to:

How large you want your collection to be.
How often you play or plan to play Steam and/or AoS.
How much you care about expansion maps.
What direction you want your collection to go (i.e. all the games you like or one good game of each type or something else.)
etc.
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Why not trade age of steam for a second copy of steam.

It seems pretty pointless to me (as a gamer not a collector) to keep games that are so similar. Steam was published because age of steam is in legal dispute do wallace made a game that was refined so he could move on.
 
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I own all of the expansion maps to AoS, so the concept of owning both isn't absurd to me.
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I beleive the AoS maps work for steam. In fact they are listed as unofficial expansions.
 
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Malachi wrote:
How often you play or plan to play Steam and/or AoS.


This is the question that helped me with my decision. Although I would like to play AOS or Steam alot it just doesn't happen with my game group at the momment. I already own Railroad Tycoon and AOS. For the momment I think I'll pass on Steam.
 
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ramkitty wrote:
I beleive the AoS maps work for steam. In fact they are listed as unofficial expansions.


some (only a few in fact) of them work, or are listed as expansions. for the the rest there are either no known rules, or it is known they won't work. you can't play an aos expansion without extra rules specifically for steam, as you do not know how many cubes to seed each city with.


and as an answer to OP - if i had to trim my collection to 3 games, aos would certainly be there. but if I had to trim it to 30, there's a very good chance steam would be there as well. I do not plan on getting rid of either one anytime soon.
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ramkitty wrote:
I beleive the AoS maps work for steam. In fact they are listed as unofficial expansions.


Work with is =/= to "at their best" or "were designed with this system in mind." It's always optimal to play a map with the system it was actually designed for. This, incidentally, is exactly why I own a copy of Steam. I'm not crazy about the changes to the system that it includes, but I want to have a copy of it so I can play the Steam native expansions that are released down the line.
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I'd say that's a rather personal question that depends on a lot of factors including, but not limited to:

How large you want your collection to be.
How often you play or plan to play Steam and/or AoS.
How much you care about expansion maps.
What direction you want your collection to go (i.e. all the games you like or one good game of each type or something else.)
etc.


I'm relatively new to board games and pretty careful about building a concise diverse collection. I'm a bit obsessive compulsive and honestly, the Steam or Age of Steam question has been eating me up inside. After much debate, I bought AoS a few months ago because it seemed to have better 2-player options with the split-board variant and the included 2-player map. This is very important as I play games most often with just my girlfriend. I love it, but I'm intrigued by the changes in Steam. Normally the idea of having two games so similar would drive me crazy, but I think I'll be able to convince myself it is ok based on the idea of having the two unified in a thorough singular representation of the train category of games...or something like that. Crazy, I know.

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and as an answer to OP - if i had to trim my collection to 3 games, aos would certainly be there. but if I had to trim it to 30, there's a very good chance steam would be there as well. I do not plan on getting rid of either one anytime soon.


Thanks, that's what I wanted to hear.
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Probably worthwhile. They are different games. Age of Steam is a heavier and more punishing game. It's rewarding, but there is a lot of effort involved. From all reports, Steam is a bit lighter and more forgiving.

Railroad Tycoon is also lighter, and there is certainly room in a collection for AoS and Railroad Tycoon, so why not AoS and Steam?
 
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If you're planning on only playing Steam, then here's what the old AoS has that might be useful (the one with wooden pieces) -

- the AoS map itself should be playable as a Steam scenario. however, it doesn't fit perfectly within the Steam scenario overlay (it's a little too wide for that), and imho there's no reason to think it's a "must have" map for Steam. As with any AoS map, the map graphics and supply #'s don't quite match with Steam, but that's not a big deal.

- the supply cubes seem identical

- for those player-piece colors that overlap, they seem to be the same wood stock and color. (the green is the only one that's noticeably different to me ... the new one is a lighter/limer shade.)

So you could save/use it for extra pieces, but Steam seems to have plenty. If you do sell/trade it, be aware that the wooden AoS sets used to sell at a premium.

I just saw your followup post. I played AoS 2-player on expansion maps and the main board, and now Steam 2-player (on half the US board). I'll play Steam rules from now on, I really like the improvements and they help a lot for 2player - Steam is highly recommended, imho. (The base action-tile rules and the easier goods supply really help with 2players.)
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I'm keeping my copy of AoS, although I don't know how often I'll play it. I never played my copy of Funkenslag after buying Power Grid, nor Jenseits von Theben after buying Thebes, but you never know.
 
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I think the Steam/AoS question is the same as the AoS/RRT question. The games are different enough that both could see regular play.

Keep both.
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RDewsbery wrote:
I'm keeping my copy of AoS, although I don't know how often I'll play it. I never played my copy of Funkenslag after buying Power Grid, nor Jenseits von Theben after buying Thebes, but you never know.


steam has much more of in-your-face-vicious-fighting for each and every cube on the board. aos has that, but only in some maps in quite the same extent; you can easily change the game's focus with a different expansion.

the steam production system being what it is I expect the hardcore fight for cubes will be a focus of every game, whatever expansion you choose. this is not a problem for me, but my wife has already (after 3 steam plays) started making sure we'll be getting back to aos from time to time when she's not quite up to so direct a fight. so I am quite confident both will see play at my place.
 
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bazik123 wrote:

the steam production system being what it is I expect the hardcore fight for cubes will be a focus of every game, whatever expansion you choose. this is not a problem for me, but my wife has already (after 3 steam plays) started making sure we'll be getting back to aos from time to time when she's not quite up to so direct a fight. so I am quite confident both will see play at my place.


Interesting. That comment as much as any is a point for why I probably will get Steam at some point, even with just last week buying Age of Steam.
 
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the AoS map itself should be playable as a Steam scenario. however, it doesn't fit perfectly within the Steam scenario overlay (it's a little too wide for that), and imho there's no reason to think it's a "must have" map for Steam. As with any AoS map, the map graphics and supply #'s don't quite match with Steam, but that's not a big deal.


I think there's a play aid in the files section that fixes this.
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bazik123 wrote:
the steam production system being what it is I expect the hardcore fight for cubes will be a focus of every game, whatever expansion you choose. this is not a problem for me, but my wife has already (after 3 steam plays) started making sure we'll be getting back to aos from time to time when she's not quite up to so direct a fight. so I am quite confident both will see play at my place.

I am also not quite sold on the change of focus from track placement. Steam allows you to simply build where you want and get the cubes later. Age of Steam requires you to build to specific cities in order to maintain a supply of goods.
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I'm relatively new to board games and pretty careful about building a concise diverse collection. I'm a bit obsessive compulsive and honestly, the Steam or Age of Steam question has been eating me up inside. After much debate, I bought AoS a few months ago because it seemed to have better 2-player options with the split-board variant and the included 2-player map. This is very important as I play games most often with just my girlfriend. I love it, but I'm intrigued by the changes in Steam. Normally the idea of having two games so similar would drive me crazy, but I think I'll be able to convince myself it is ok based on the idea of having the two unified in a thorough singular representation of the train category of games...or something like that. Crazy, I know.


If what I'm hearing from people who have Steam now and have tried it with 2 players - it seems to work, especially using the Basic game's tile mechanic in lieu of the auction.

In my situation I was never happy with the 2-player maps available - they didn't seem representative enough of the game to bother teaching to my opponent. But with Steam I think there's a quality 2-player game right there without any need for variant rules.

Also, playing AoS with my current game group is not going to happen very often. The graphics turns off one player, and another player just doesn't seem that into it, but likes Railroad Tycoon. So I'm hoping the added prettyness of Steam brings those two back.
 
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the AoS map itself [..] doesn't fit within the Steam scenario overlay

I think there's a play aid in the files section that fixes this.


Oh!

That's great for using AoS boards for Steam - thanks!

 
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I own RRT, AOS and Steam a bunch of maps.

Generally when I buy a game I eventually trade it off, keeping only the best games. I would never get rid of any of the above.
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ramkitty wrote:
Why not trade age of steam for a second copy of steam.


Trying hard to detect the sarcasm here. Is there a reason why one would want to own two copies of Steam. aside from having two copies to play at separate locations?

I'd be happy to own both...if I already owned AoS.
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I picked up my copy of Steam today. It looks great, I'll try it out tonight. I've decided to keep AoS, at least for now. Thanks for all the input, I might have traded it in and regretted it.
 
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