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Since there hasn't been any talk here lately, I thought I'd check - is anyone out there still playing Notre Dame?
For our gaming group, it's still being played - likely more than any other game the last 6 months.
I've seen mention somewhere that some people felt that once they 'figured it out' there didn't seem to be as much point in playing it anymore... I'm not sure if we've 'figured it out', but my wife and I do get 70 or more pts more often than not... even though we have more or less established strategies, it still varies because of which cards come together, when, and how the players you're playing with play their cards...
Therefore, for us, it's still our number 1 game, and I look forward to many more plays - and to the expansion when it comes.
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Oh no, I don't think you're the only ones still playing ND. I still see it being played here in Portland, Oregon, particularly at the Lucky Lab Brewpub Thursday night Meetups.(Hey! Today is Thursday. Maybe we'll play...UHmmm...beer.)

By far not my favorite, but still an enjoyable excursion. I'm in the process of 'figuring it out', but don't think I'll ever solve it. Takes some of the fun out, I think.
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IMO, what you are seeing (little excitement/activity) is proof that Notre Dame is a classic example of BGG groupthink/hype.

There is no way this game should be in the Top 100, much less where it started out (41?!).
It's a nice little excursion, but nothing to hang a gamer's hat on.
It's no surprise to me to see the fall-off of activity for it.
I think many people predicted as such when it first got all that hype.
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Perhaps it will make a bit of a comeback because of the expansion in the alea schatzkiste .
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Well, we played it a year ago and it has languished until early June this year when we dug it out once again. Now we all want to play it some more as we had such a good time with it.

We find Notre Dame a really enjoyable game .. however I'm not sure we'll ever find the time to 'figure it out' as there are way too many other great games vying for our (limited) time.
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I'm afraid that reapersaurus is talking like he has a walnut-sized brain. shake

Notre Dame came out over two years ago. Outside of the most highly rated games, there just isn't too much discussion about games that came out then. Most of what needed to be said has already been said. And about a jillion new games have come out since that time.

That doesn't mean the game doesn't continue to get played. We play it now and then, probably as much as any game from that year (we're charter members of the Cult of the New). It's ratings continue to be strong on the Geek. I'm not aware of any "killer strategies" for the game and we certainly haven't figured it out. It continues to be a challenging and enjoyable game for us.

John, of course, is entitled to think the game is overrated. But I don't think the lack of buzz over ND is anything unusual, given how long ago it came out, and I certainly don't view that as evidence that people think any less of it.
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I still play it. Alot. Played it yesterday, actually.
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It seems like a lot of games just get lots of comments and questions because their rules are so bad. devil

It's a complement to Notre Dame's excellent design and craftsmanship that this doesn't happen here.

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Larry Levy wrote:
I'm afraid that
Larry doesn't understand the rules here on BGG:
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I stated my opinion about the game and explanation of why there is little activity on BGG for Notre Dame anymore.

Go ahead and make personal attacks all you want, Larry - it doesn't make your points more convincing.

The facts remain -
The average # of plays for Notre Dame in 2007 was 748 per month.
In 2008, it dropped precipitously to 440 per month.
So far in 2009, it's down to 316 per month.
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Actually I was thinking about ND the other day. Why haven't I played it more??? Because too many other (good) games have flooded my shelves and tables lately. Agricola, Pillars of the Earth, Brass, Ilium, La Citta, Oasis, Dominion, Pandemic, Zooloretto, Tribune, Stone Age ... all of these and more have taken over the hotspot. ND IS a good game. It just needs a little more love I'm afraid....
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reapersaurus wrote:
Larry Levy wrote:
I'm afraid that
Larry doesn't understand the rules here on BGG:
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I stated my opinion about the game and explanation of why there is little activity on BGG for Notre Dame anymore.

Go ahead and make personal attacks all you want, Larry - it doesn't make your points more convincing.

The facts remain -
The average # of plays for Notre Dame in 2007 was 748 per month.
In 2008, it dropped precipitously to 440 per month.
So far in 2009, it's down to 316 per month.

Remember the rules when you are posting, not just when someone attacks you. I've seen some of your other posts...
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In the Finnish championships, Notre Dame was one of the games played and the consensus was that the game had gotten too little attention here and actually quite many said that they will play it more now.

For me, I fell in love with the elegance of the design right away and have liked it ever since. I will always be up for a game. The only caveat being that there are so many new games, that I don't play this as often as it deserves. Having said that, it has hit the table lately and I played a fair amount of games on BSW practicing for the championships.

I don't think Notre Dame can be 'solved'. You can just find ways to do good in particular setups, but even though I consistently hit over 70 points, it is still a new game every time.

Oh, and I was quite pleased to win my tournament game with 81 points

Great game, great design, I wish that I could design such masterpieces. Hats off to Stefan.
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I try to play as much as possible, but as this is the one game I win regularly, my group dislikes it...
 
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There are too many games to give each and every one repeated plays year after year.But thanks to Treasure Chest have Notre Dame (and other alea games) again found a place among the games played regularly.
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This thread became contentious? LOL. Oh, BGG. Sometimes you really get me.

To the OP: We still play it a few times a year. It's held up well.
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Nope. Once was enough.
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doubtofbuddha wrote:
Nope. Once was enough.


Doubtofbuddha is clearly thinking with an orc-sized brain.
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I've played it three times since april.
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reapersaurus wrote:
The facts remain -
The average # of plays for Notre Dame in 2007 was 748 per month.
In 2008, it dropped precipitously to 440 per month.
So far in 2009, it's down to 316 per month.


Of all the data available on BGG, I have to think that the '# of plays' data is the least reliable. While the numbers you've posted indicate that the number of people who actually log their plays have probably played less Notre Dame, they don't do anything for all of the people who never log games played (presumably, the vast majority?).

Even if the numbers were entirely representative, they're still not that bad. Abstracted, it looks like people playing Notre Dame twice a month in 2007 are still playing the game roughly once a month in 2009. That's not bad, if you ask me.

Edit: Also, I wouldn't get too worked up over the walnut-thing--I think it was just dino-humor.
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It's at the top of my "want-in-trade" list, but I haven't managed to swing a deal yet... and I've been swinging enough other deals that I haven't gone out and bought it.

If I don't get it before, it'll be on my Christmas list.
 
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reapersaurus wrote:
Go ahead and make personal attacks all you want, Larry - it doesn't make your points more convincing.

John, it wasn't meant as a personal attack. It was supposed to be a joke based on your avatar. Sorry that you took it the wrong way.
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Notre Dame was alive and well in last week's WBC. I got in two plays there.
 
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It's at the top of my "want-in-trade" list, but I haven't managed to swing a deal yet... and I've been swinging enough other deals that I haven't gone out and bought it.

If I don't get it before, it'll be on my Christmas list.


I managed to get my hands on a used copy for a good price. It should be hitting the table tonight.
 
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My FLGS had this game at a discounted price and I had been waiting to purchase it for some time (last 4-5 months). I read alot of positive reviews and just needed to build up the nerve to go and purchase it. I had been resisting because I have a few other games I have not played yet.

I finally purchased a copy (Dec 10,2009) and it seems like a game my group would enjoy playing. I hope it hits the tabe often and I can't wait to play it.






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I bought ND about half year ago and like it very much. It's one my most played games this year. I think the reduce in # of plays is just natural thing to happen for a normal game. When a game is new people play it a lot (like I have done this year with ND because it's new for me), but after some time new games will take it's places as the "hot game". If the game is good (like ND seems to be by many users) it will get occasionally played but the peak in gaming was when it was new.
 
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