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Guillaume G.
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If you feel like it, please complete this sentence:

You know you're no longer a beginner at Go when...
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... the first thing that comes to mind when you hear "atari" is not video games.
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...not everyone you play gives you 9 stones.

Maybe "...when you finally play someone who only gives you 5 stones" is my real answer.
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... you master basics of fuseki and chuban, basic shapes of life & death, and have elementary yose notions.
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...when you hold all of the professional titles in Japan.
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nobody has to tell you the game is over and it's okay to pass, and you have a good sense that you've won without yet taking a detailed accounting.
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tmredden wrote:
nobody has to tell you the game is over and it's okay to pass, and you have a good sense that you've won without yet taking a detailed accounting.

I concur.
 
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...you have won the honinbo tournament.
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...you die.
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.... you can teach someone else the game and even give some strategy tips.
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...you've eaten ALL the stones.
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... when you don't need to ask this question of yourself.
 
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... you can play games simultaneously against beginners.
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... when you are an intermediate.

... when you get a "Go player" microbadge. meeple

... when you are enthusiastic about the game. cool
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... you've lost 100 games.
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paulus22 wrote:
...you die.

Actually, ... no. It can be shown that when you die you don't know anything because your brain stops functioning.whistle
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... you've lost 100 games.

Nope. Still a beginner.
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When you look up the pro games in Hikaru no Go.

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... you've lost 100 games.


Each loss is a lesson, so one has had 100 lessons!
 
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... the 3 dan furrows his brow.
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tmredden wrote:
paulus22 wrote:
...you die.

Actually, ... no. It can be shown that when you die you don't know anything because your brain stops functioning.whistle

Okay, when dead you certainly are no longer a beginner at go, you just don't know it.
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I asked the same question on GoDiscussions and got also various and interesting answers:
... Go changed you into a humble person (spongy)
... you can find seki in Wal Mart (needo)
... you dream up tsumego when you sleep and solve them (Violence)
... you stop walking on the inside of the tiles on the floor, but on the intersections (tryphon)
... you can effectively use ko and thickness (karaklis)
... you get through the preliminaries of Samsung Cup (Dima)
... when your opponents best move was your last move (emhcaetesaelP)
... you never need to say "atari" (sumiyaka)
... you've read through Mastering Go in 10 days, and it only took you 5 (Gilgamesh)
... it finally dawns on you that you can't become a pro (sol.ch)
... you realize you're a beginner at go (daniel_the_smith)
... one of your students surpasses you (ross)
... you actually have a strategy (artboy598)
... you ignore a stone in atari not because you forget about it but because you actually choose to sacrifice it (Enink)
... you know that 19*19 = 361 (Tryss)
... you write your rank at the end of your name (singular)
... you're Lee Sedol (palapikku)
... you finally can resist posting in a thread titled.... (mdobbins)
... you are 12d at the KGS graph (Aestuans)
... tartrate asks you for a game (ILLcoyote)
... you realize your opponent is not a cheater just because he puts his stones in better places before you even had a chance (dankenzon)
... you start to understand the meaning of each moves and variations play in your head (rouyakun)
... people see you as a rival (Shura)
... you gain 2 ranks a week (Shura)
... you beat 1d while falling asleep (Shura)
... a pro asks you for a game (Shura)
... a stronger player points out a better move, and even though you could not find it yourself, you immediately see that it is better (Y Nishi)
... you get a feel for influence and how a move effects the whole board (Mosdefgo)
... you stop playing go altogether (Dima)
... you beat BigBadWolf on KGS (Mosdefgo)
... Go Seigen asks you for a game (shura)
... you start dismissing bone-headed kibitzing on KGS (BaghwanB)
... you can transform complete winning game to losing game while playing against weaker beginner without raising suspicion (koks9dan)
You never know you are no longer a beginner at go. There is always too much left to learn (Sakata)

This to be added to the list built here:
... the first thing that comes to mind when you hear "atari" is not video games (iklinck)
... you finally play someone who only gives you 5 stones (coolpapa)
... you master basics of fuseki and chuban, basic shapes of life & death, and have elementary yose notions (Jahz)
... you hold all of the professional titles in Japan (yosz)
... nobody has to tell you the game is over and it's okay to pass, and you have a good sense that you've won without yet taking a detailed accounting (tmredden)
... you can give up before looking like one (IIwyrmII)
... you have won the honinbo tournament (wmshub)
... you die (paulus22)
... you can teach someone else the game and even give some strategy tips (mschlat)
... you've eaten ALL the stones (taragalinas)
... you don't need to ask this question of yourself (scrub)
... you can play games simultaneously against beginners (synco)
... you are an intermediate (Ambrose)
... you get a "Go player" microbadge (Ambrose)
... you are enthusiastic about the game (Ambrose)
... you've lost 100 games (Friendless)
... the 3 dan furrows his brow (Barticus88)

Thanks to all of those who participated, it was fun to read.
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Actorios wrote:
... you stop walking on the inside of the tiles on the floor, but on the intersections (tryphon)

YES

Love that one.
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Actorios wrote:

... you start dismissing bone-headed kibitzing on KGS (BaghwanB)


laugh I'm apparently not a beginner then. Because even I got completely embarrassed with some of the proud proclamations some players on KGS came up with today, when watching a high-level game. Granted, they had strayed into matemathics.

Why on earth someone would try to impress listeners with their knowledge of orderings of irrational numbers, when they got a 5d behind their name, is completely incomprehensible to me. Hello?! Stick to what you're good at!! and pay attention to the bloody game!!!
 
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