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Does anyone know the correct way to pronounce Tsuro and if so, could you spell it out? Thanks
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My spidey sense tells me that the T is silent, so it's Soo-ro.
Edit: Not unlike tsunami.
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Thanks Drew! You've confirmed my suspicion. thumbsup
 
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drewdane wrote:
My spidey sense tells me that the T is silent, so it's Soo-ro.
Edit: Not unlike tsunami.


Hmm. I too pronounce it like "Tsunami", but disagree that the T is silent in either.
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General Tso Chicken ----

I use the 't' as a kind of accent to force the rest of the word out in a "soup nazi" type of way.

So the 't' is kinda silent but it changes the way I'd say "suro" to stress the first syllable in a deep voice forcing my chin down and bringing a scowl to my face. I also tend to say the name more loudly than typical to. Draws attention though.
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Futza wrote:
Does anyone know the correct way to pronounce Tsuro and if so, could you spell it out?

Yes, and no. Yes, the "ts" is a voiceless alveolar affricate, and no, there's no other way to spell it.

"Voiceless alveolar affricate" means that you don't use your vocal cords, you start with your tongue on the little bump between your teeth and palette, and you make sound by forcing air through your mouth. Which is to say: touch the top of your mouth with your tongue the way you do when you say a "t." But then, instead of breathing out a "t," hiss like with an "s."

There's no other way to spell this because it's not an English phoneme, but a Japanese one (and also occurs in some other languages, e.g. the German "z" as in "zeit" and of course the Russian "tsar").
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The art building at Cornell is Tjaden ("jaden"). Some of us took to calling it Tuh-jaden, and one time someone relatively new to campus heard us and exclaimed "Oh! Thank you!" She had been confused for a while, never finding it on a campus map or directory, since she was looking under "J". Had no idea she had to look under "T".
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kevintlee wrote:
General Tso Chicken ----

I use the 't' as a kind of accent to force the rest of the word out in a "soup nazi" type of way.

So the 't' is kinda silent but it changes the way I'd say "suro" to stress the first syllable in a deep voice forcing my chin down and bringing a scowl to my face. I also tend to say the name more loudly than typical to. Draws attention though.


Kevin, can you take a pic of yourself saying it and post it so I know what to do?
Thanks!
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Futza wrote:

Kevin, can you take a pic of yourself saying it and post it so I know what to do?
Thanks!


 


Tsuro!!!
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As others have pointed out already: No, the "T" is not silent.

The "tsu" not particularly difficult to pronounce though, and there are plenty of words in the English language that have exactly the same consonant effect in them -- it's just that in English, there's usually a vowel in front of the "ts." For example, consider the common pronunciation of Nazi, which might be rendered "nahtsee" (or maybe "natsi," if we were using the same transliteration rules that apply to Japanese). Or, come to think of it (since it rhymes), Yahtzee.

It's exactly the same sound that appears at the end of "chits" or "robots" or "wombats," etc. -- but without a vowel in front of it.

Try saying "Get Suro" -- and then drop the "Ge." You'll see, the "ts" isn't at all hard to pronounce.

In fact, the real pronunciation problem here (for Americans) is the "R" -- because the Japanese "R" is really very different from the American/English "R." Most Americans who heard a native Japanese say "tsuro" would probably think that the "R" was a soft "D" -- or maybe even an "L."
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Most Americans who heard a native Japanese say "tsuro" would probably think that the "R" was a soft "D"


Uh... that would make it Tsurd, if I'm not mistaken.
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Cantatta wrote:
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Most Americans who heard a native Japanese say "tsuro" would probably think that the "R" was a soft "D"


Uh... that would make it Tsurd, if I'm not mistaken.


No -- that would make it "Tsudo."
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No -- that would make it "Tsudo."


My bad... one of those "where is your mind at" moments I guess. shake
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[AFTERTHOUGHT]: ...or "Tsulo," depending on both the speaker's particular pronunciation and the listener's perception.

But as I mentioned, hearing it as either "Tsudo" or "Tsulo" is a product of the difference between the Japanese "R" and the American/English "R."

It is, in fact, exactly what it says: "Tsuro."
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Cantatta wrote:
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No -- that would make it "Tsudo."


My bad... one of those "where is your mind at" moments I guess. shake


Entirely understandable. It's not even noon yet. No one can be expected to perform at 100% efficiency before noon. That's just uncivilized.

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Cantatta wrote:
Uh... that would make it Tsurd, if I'm not mistaken.


That's abtsurd.
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