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Hi, everyone.

There's something about this game i always found weird.
Why does it use a sword icon to represent a 'character' action, a helmet for a 'muster' action and a flag for an 'army' action?

Doesn't
Helmet -> character
Flag -> muster
Sword -> army

make more sense?
 
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Anfauglir wrote:
Hi, everyone.

There's something about this game i always found weird.
Why does it use a sword icon to represent a 'character' action, a helmet for a 'muster' action and a flag for an 'army' action?

Doesn't
Helmet -> character
Flag -> muster
Sword -> army

make more sense?


Original make perfect sense:

Helmet = Muster, because the troops are getting outfitted.

Flag = Army, because flags are used as signal, focal points, etc.

Sword = Character, because no character ever leaves home without a weapon.

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Anfauglir wrote:
Hi, everyone.

There's something about this game i always found weird.
Why does it use a sword icon to represent a 'character' action, a helmet for a 'muster' action and a flag for an 'army' action?

Doesn't
Helmet -> character
Flag -> muster
Sword -> army

make more sense?


Woe-eth unto thee, little man from the North Lands. In arrogance dost thou question the authority behindeth this majestic game...eth.

Sorry, my Tolkien defense system overreacted.

The only thing that annoys me is that the FPP dice has both army and muster on one side, which forces me to show new players the symbols under a microscope so they can tell what they're looking at.
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I didn't mean it annoyed me, it was just an observation.

Dam the Man wrote:

Helmet = Muster, because the troops are getting outfitted.
Flag = Army, because flags are used as signal, focal points, etc.
Sword = Character, because no character ever leaves home without a weapon.


A flag is indeed a focal point, which is where you would rally (muster) your troops.

And a sword is usually used for fighting, which is what you do with an 'army' die.

And a helmet is usually on a character's head.

But i suppose you could put a sword on your head and try to kill your enemies with a flag.
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Anfauglir wrote:

And a helmet is usually on a character's head.


I think Gandalf and Legolas definately went bare.
 
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Helmet = army move, because helmets are the only thing all the soldiers have in common.
Sword = muster, because the difference between people and soldiers is having a weapon.
Flag = character, because individual characters can't have much effect in battles except through leading others.


There, I think we covered all the possibilities.
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Anfauglir wrote:
Hi, everyone.

There's something about this game i always found weird.
Why does it use a sword icon to represent a 'character' action, a helmet for a 'muster' action and a flag for an 'army' action?



The reasons for our choices is that the FP sword was actually Frodo's sword, Sting, and the Shadow one is an orc sword (so, 'character'), the 'helmet' is actually a crown (Gondor's and Nazgul's crown, so connected to orders, command...), and the flag was pretty well connected to armies in our mind.

Your angle is pretty logical too, though!

Francesco
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Wow, i invoked an answer from one of the designers on my very first post. Cool.

I guess you can also fight enemies by throwing a palantir at them (like Grima), or burn them to death with your flaming eye, so there are plenty of possibilities for army icons. laugh

I still think the dice are really cool though. (the rest of the game too)
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Dam the Man wrote:
Anfauglir wrote:

And a helmet is usually on a character's head.


I think Gandalf and Legolas definately went bare.

No, Gandalf wore a cap, which become a plot-point in its contrast to a hood, and Legolas wore ahooded elven cloak.
 
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The dice are physically just great. They're fun to roll. They don't feel unbalanced or hollow like the custom dice in certain other games. It adds a bunch to the game that the physical components that are your central obsession are worth looking at.

 
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whac3 wrote:
Dam the Man wrote:
Anfauglir wrote:

And a helmet is usually on a character's head.


I think Gandalf and Legolas definately went bare.

No, Gandalf wore a cap, which become a plot-point in its contrast to a hood, and Legolas wore ahooded elven cloak.


Bare from helmets I meant. Of course, those hoods were naturally heavily enchanted with bonus to defense (flashback to the MERP days) !
 
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Oh, GREAT, now when I play I won't remember what each symbol actually means any more! Thanks a lot!
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