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Eric Pietrocupo
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I played a few games and I find this game pretty boring and obvious to play. I don't know what people find so great about this game.

Anyways, one of the thing that annoys me is that since discarding allow other players to pickup the cards you discarded, players will never discard a card you have a chance to pickup. Which makes this rule totally useless.

So an idea I got is that all the expedition cards you play are placed face down. This way the other players does not know that you can pick up the card they want to discard. They can only attempt to guess which card you played and try to calculate which cards are safe to discard.
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larienna wrote:
Anyways, one of the thing that annoys me is that since discarding allow other players to pickup the cards you discarded, players will never discard a card you have a chance to pickup. Which makes this rule totally useless.


Not quite true.

Sometimes you'll discard a card that your opponent wants, in order to hold off playing a card to your side that you don't want to play yet.

I've been forced into this situation a few times.

Also ... If your opponent has played a handshake, you could discard another to tease them into picking it up, knowing that you have a couple of the high cards of that colour. Might cost them dearly!




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Uhh...I can't help but wonder if you are playing right. You should be constantly having to decide whether to discard something your opponent needs (or *might* need - opponent may be intending to play a color but is intentionally holding off because he hopes you'll discard something he can use) or to start a new color/add to an existing color on your side in a less-than-ideal way (i.e. risking that you will take negative points).

If you never discard anything that your opponent might want, you're going to have a hard time winning unless you get very lucky with the cards you draw.
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larienna wrote:
Anyways, one of the thing that annoys me is that since discarding allow other players to pickup the cards you discarded, players will never discard a card you have a chance to pickup. Which makes this rule totally useless.

Are you playing with a constant hand size (of eight cards)?

If you're not playing with a constant hand size, then you could keep every card you draw -- and you'd be right, there's no point in discarding cards.

But the rules state that you must always have eight cards in your hand, which creates the angst-ridden situations of not wanting to play a card (because you want to save it for later) versus not wanting to discard a card (because you don't want your opponent to have it).

Ideally when discarding, you would always discard a card that your opponent has no interest in, but as any seasoned player can tell you, this isn't always the case. Sometimes you just have to discard a card that your opponent will likely take, in the hopes to maximize your own score somewhere else.
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larienna wrote:
I played a few games
Play a few more and it will start to make sense.
 
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If for example, a player has an expedition with a 5 yellow card, I know that I can discard for example my 3 without problem and I know I will never discard my 6 yellow card until he plays an higher card. Instead, I'll play another card elsewhere if I am stuck.

I might get less points but the thing is that if my opponent is playing the same way, I will never get cards from him, so I rather want to play on another stack and forget that a good card could get discarded.

Because in all our game, only dead cards were discarded.
 
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larienna wrote:
Because in all our game, only dead cards were discarded.
I frequently discard non-dead cards. I'm either gambling that my opponent won't use them, or else I'm estimating that handing the card to my opponent is less painful than any other option. I suspect that I can maintain a winning record overall against somebody who never, ever discards something that I might be able to use.
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larienna wrote:

Because in all our game, only dead cards were discarded.


Then you need to play more times, since that is pretty rare.

As others previously perfectly stated, if you keep a constant hand of eight per the rules, you'll eventually be forced to discard non-dead cards which could be used by your opponent in order to maximize your score in other colors.

I also agree with the discarding extra handshakes or low cards to entice your opponent in a color.

I'll also purposely discard non-dead cards to my opponent towards the end of the round when the stack is getting low, so they're drawing from the face up cards and I'm drawing from the face down cards, in order to get the card(s) I need.
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