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Werner van W.
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Hello BGG,

For some time now I am looking for a new game, but most games I find look just too simple. Currently I am searching for a difficult, complicated game (steep learning curve, but lots of possibilities). More possibilities=better.

I do not really care what kind of game it is, but it should have strategic elements and not be too abstract.

Can you help me out? Thanks!

Edit: More than two players would be cool.
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Let us know the # of players, the length of the game you would prefer, any themes you do NOT want, etc.

Lots of the more complex games are also lengthy.

Giving us more details will help us better provide you with recommendations.


Thanks!!

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You might try checking out Masters of Venice, released just a couple of months ago...it's a complex economic game with multiple mechanics, multiple paths to victory, fairly steep learning curve, reasonably priced, and plays 2 to 5 players...
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Werner van W.
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Thanks for the quick responses! The gamelength does not matter much, long games are no problem. (I played some games of Avalon Hills Civilization and I loved it.) As for the number of players, anything more than two will do, but 2-6 is the most likely scenario.
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1830: Railways & Robber Barons
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bwingrave wrote:


FTFY - OP wanted games, not exercises in Pure Evil.
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Bruce
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There's nothing 'evil' about Diplomacy. You just have to go into it with your eyes open...including the one in the back of your head. It's a lot of fun as long as you don't take it too seriously.
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mi98c10 wrote:
While only two players and fairly simple rules. Look in to Go.

WvW1 wrote:
...it should have strategic elements and not be too abstract.
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Mike Thompson
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Napoleon's Triumph

Works with 2, or more than 2 in teams. Only 16 pages of rules, but exceptionally difficult to master.
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Bill J
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You might like Revolution: The Dutch Revolt 1568-1648. In some ways, it resembles Civilization since it was designed by the same person, Francis Tresham. However, it has some additional complexities as the cities and provinces change alliances between the different religious and political factions.
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I would suggest 18xx (someone already did!), Antiquity--sadly out of print, and some more wargame titles (I'm not the expert!).

Good luck!!
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I would second Revolution: The Dutch Revolt. That's pretty complex. Then there's always Die Macher....

My favorites that are fairly deep are Imperial, In the Year of the Dragon, Stuggle of Empires, Wallenstein, Brass, and Through the Ages. Can't go wrong with any of that.
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IMHO, I would strike Le Havre as complex. Long but easy to play...
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Take a look at War for Edaðh. You can tailor the game to make it as deep as you like. Very strategic. With 2+ base sets or with decks from the first expansion you can play with 3+ players. We're also about to release details of a variant to the core gameplay that makes it even more strategic.
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Richard Young
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Here's my list:

1830 or 1856
Revolution: the Dutch Revolt
Indonesia
Twilight Imperium III
Britannia
Successors
The Napoleonic Wars
Sword of Rome
Struggle of Empires
Brass
Mare Nostrum
Imperial
Galactic Emperor


These games vary from purely economic to military, or a combination of both, with strong themes that range from quasi-historical to futuristic. The games also vary in terms of complexity and game length but all feature strategic as well as tactical elements requiring close study and several playings to properly appreciate. All are multi-player.
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Henrik Lantz
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Didn't see Through the Ages: A Story of Civilization mentioned above. This game is pure brilliance in a box! Slowly becoming my favorite game ever. Many possibilities, many paths to victory, and an excellent civ theme to boot. I think you would be very happy with this one.

I alse felt I should mention Planet Steam. I haven't played it, but I certainly would love to. It is a heavy economic game based around mining on an alien planet. It has some of the best components ever, a real high quality game. This game is not released in English, and this affects its ratings here on the geek. Just from rading the positive comments from those who have played it I think this game would be very popular if it was cheaper and had an Enlish release. But you are from the Neteherlands and should be able to find this game for a decent price from Germany.
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Ellowen-Deeowen wrote:
There's nothing 'evil' about Diplomacy. You just have to go into it with your eyes open...including the one in the back of your head. It's a lot of fun as long as you don't take it too seriously.

The trouble is that Diplomacy is not a hard strategy game - it is a hard negotiation game!
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Dan Squires
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What about Caylus?


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Laurence Parsons
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Take a look at Reef Encounter. Steep learning curve, and layer apon layer of strategy.
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o0dano0o wrote:
What about Caylus?


YES!
 
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