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For some Presidents the defining moments... the negative sort... come late in their term(s) or even after. Reagan's 8 years are defined, by his detractors, in the context of the Iran/Contra affair. But that pales before the "tear down this wall" moment or the tough old man cracking jokes and asking about Brady after having been shot on live TV.

Carter? No problem. Helicopters crashing in the desert.
Bush sr.? Easy, throwing up at a state dinner in Asia. That and "read my lips".
Clinton? Gimme a break.... blow jobs aren't sexual relations. That and in his first term finally hiding Hillary before she completely ruined his image.
Bush, GW? Standing in the rubble of the Twin Towers. But the bad defining moment was the "mission accomplished" banner speech.

Now here we are only 6 months into this freakish nightmare of a Presidential Administration and I suspect Obama has had his first defining moment. Too bad it came before a positive moment. Now things will be all out of karmic balance for the guy as he tries to find a way to even out his legacy.

So what is Obama's moment? Easy...

"The police acted stupidly."

Now beyond the obvious thing... any President saying that about any local issue is never going to fare well with the press afterward. So Obama just continues to show that he is really quite stupid himself.

But the thing that makes this defining is the follow-up up comments he's made since then and the ripple effect of not only this moron Gates, but others who have been skulking in the shadows waiting for an opportunity to stoke up the dying embers of racism in America. Some people need racism in order to turn a buck. It's difficult to get Ghetto residents to fork over "contributions" when they are actually feeling less discriminated against.

Obama steadfastly refuses to be anything but arrogant, condescending and above all else, incapable of error. He screws the pooch and then warps his pooch-screwing into something only he is smart enough to have discerned. So he calls this stupid fucking non-event a "teachable moment".

Fuck you Obama. The last thing you could ever provide me is teaching on racism... and loyalty. Seeing as how you attended a racist church for 20 years and then dumped your children's Godfather on his ass the instant he became slightly inconvenient.

Teachable? You really are a moron.

What happened here is simple. Nothing happened. Except that nothing happened to a black guy who is paid to be discriminated against. His degrees, research, studies and papers... his entire reason for being is wound up in a core of being an oppressed black man in a nation still ruled by white plantation owners.

And that's a tough fucking sell in 2009.

So Gates saw opportunity knocking when a white cop stood on the other side of the door that afternoon. He saw a new era of racism! he saw sophisticated racial profiling that can really only be detected by sophisticated Harvard Black Studies professors and camera chasing civil rights activist/millionaires like Jackson and Sharpton.

So then Obama (efforting to be above the whole "whitey" thing that he recently threw in the trash along with Rev Wright) has to defend his buddy in Harvard. That's safe enough... right?

Nope.

This is manufactured racism. Even the 911 call proves that. Gates manufactured false racism because he's a self-involved, pompous, useless, over paid fuckwit. Obama has now created a "mission accomplished" moment and then followed that up by treating every police force in America and all it's citizens like they are school children and need "teachable moments" delivered by podium sitters like the anointed Saint Obama.

Yes... it's a rant. No... I still haven't warmed up to Obama. Never will either. He's now a black man in power instead of the unbiased leader of America.

Good luck getting your socialistic health care scam passed Obama... maybe you need to create some "teachable moments" for those lesser individuals who are too dumb to see things your way.
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This is a blip, not a moment.

Both Gates and the police acted stupidly.

Gates is not a moron, he is a professor.

Obama is not a moron either.

What is your point?
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What is your point?


That Bush was an angel and Obama eats babies; it's the same point he fails to make in all his posts.
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It unhinged you further, so it can't be all bad.

You've earned the full $1000 for Unity 09 with this one.
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It unhinged you further, so it can't be all bad.

You've earned the full $1000 for Unity 09 with this one.


I was just thinking that is was definitely worth the $1000 as I was reading it. Good job.
 
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I tend to assume Tripp must be drinking heavily when he comes up with these, but it seems awfully early in the morning to be hitting the bottle.
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It unhinged you further, so it can't be all bad.

You've earned the full $1000 for Unity 09 with this one.


Yep, cuz 'putting Tripp to task' on this rant is going to help keep Obama's poll numbers up when his health care plan fails to pass.

I don't hate Obama. But I think he's a political dillettante. And I can't STAND it when an incompetent rises to power in this country- but yet because of spin and image, I'm told over and over how 'great' he is.

Hated it with Bush, hate it with Obama. Last President I TRULY respected was George Bush (41)- at least he didn't act like a reckless idiot who couldn't keep his zipper up.

Go ahead, spend your money how you like. Because it won't matter HOW much Obama and his allies can muster, if he turns out to be completely politically incompetent. The one thing this country hates is failure- no matter how good intentioned or intelligent you are.

Ask Jimmy Carter about that.....

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This is a blip, not a moment.


You just wait and see. This will be the gift that keeps on giving to those who are intelligent enough to not have swooned when Obama and his magic teleprompter started dancing.

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Both Gates and the police acted stupidly.


Gates is an individual. A stupid one. The "police" is a meaningless generality that ranges from a pretty darned goof rock band to some wicked characters in action movies down to that friendly guy who checks out your house to make sure it isn't being robbed and then gets a face full of racist ranting by some short guy with a cane and a Napoleon complex.

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Gates is not a moron, he is a professor.


Well... doesn't take much to fool you does it?

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Obama is not a moron either.


Too soon to know if he's an actual moron or just a man who's incompetence and lack of leadership skills exceeds even those of Jimmy Carter. My money is on moron AND lack of skills both.

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What is your point?


It's a rant. Even a moron can understand that rants are not about making a point or bringing harmony to opposing ideologies. Rants exist in RSP for one reason only... so I can come back here, in two years, when Obama is polling at 11% approval rating and has managed to re-animate the dying racist issue to the point of riots in the streets and say... "I told ya so!"
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What is your point?


That Bush was an angel and Obama eats babies; it's the same point he fails to make in all his posts.


Your "side" would fare better if "you people" didn't constantly accuse DW of supporting Bush. When I arrived at RSP I noticed that DW was consistently against a lot of what Bush was doing.
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49xjohn wrote:


What is your point?


That Bush was an angel and Obama eats babies; it's the same point he fails to make in all his posts.


Your "side" would fare better if "you people" didn't constantly accuse DW of supporting Bush. When I arrived at RSP I noticed that DW was consistently against a lot of what Bush was doing.


Dont you remember Jarred?

Voting for McCain meant you were voting for a 'third term' of GW Bush....Which I heard over and over and over and over again from the Left- both here and in other venues.

I think its now being rewritten into "If you have any skepticism about how great a politician Mr. Obama is, then you MUST have been a big supporter for GW Bush."

Given that the common refrain is for the current administration and Congress to blame EVERYTHING on the Bush administration, I'm figuring that we're going to hear this for a quite a while to come.

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I think its now being rewritten into "If you have any skepticism about how great a politician Mr. Obama is, then you MUST have been a big supporter for GW Bush."


No, if you rant here about how dumb Obama is, you were probably a big supporter of John McCain.

Which you are doing an excellent job of demonstrating.
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jarredscott78 wrote:
Magic Pink wrote:
49xjohn wrote:


What is your point?


That Bush was an angel and Obama eats babies; it's the same point he fails to make in all his posts.


Your "side" would fare better if "you people" didn't constantly accuse DW of supporting Bush. When I arrived at RSP I noticed that DW was consistently against a lot of what Bush was doing.


As a matter of fact, there was nothing within DW's rant that was even remoting close to "Bush was an angel."

And Obama doesn't "eat" babies - he just let's doctors kill them.
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Magic Pink wrote:
49xjohn wrote:


What is your point?


That Bush was an angel and Obama eats babies; it's the same point he fails to make in all his posts.


Your "side" would fare better if "you people" didn't constantly accuse DW of supporting Bush. When I arrived at RSP I noticed that DW was consistently against a lot of what Bush was doing.


Well Jarred... the RSP Lefty camp is suffering from this: Lefty Truth

What's ironic is that I clicked on the article from another thread... started reading and quickly say the RSP liberals as perfect examples of the phenomena.

Oh... and Dar? I didn't vote for McCain either. Although he's less of a political moron than Obama and most certainly a hero... it would be moronic to vote for someone because they aren't Bush or aren't Obama. Hope that doesn't offend anyone. You may liberals return to your regularly scheduled cognitive relativism now.
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Magic Pink wrote:
49xjohn wrote:


What is your point?


That Bush was an angel and Obama eats babies; it's the same point he fails to make in all his posts.


Your "side" would fare better if "you people" didn't constantly accuse DW of supporting Bush. When I arrived at RSP I noticed that DW was consistently against a lot of what Bush was doing.


By all means, tell me what "my side" is and who "my people" are.

When I came, I noticed he was very pro-Bush. Oh, yeah, like right over here: http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/363386/page/1

Not saying he's wrong but he IS very.... zealous about it. Not as much as non-manly men destroying the world, tho.
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Magic Pink wrote:
jarredscott78 wrote:
Magic Pink wrote:
49xjohn wrote:


What is your point?


That Bush was an angel and Obama eats babies; it's the same point he fails to make in all his posts.


Your "side" would fare better if "you people" didn't constantly accuse DW of supporting Bush. When I arrived at RSP I noticed that DW was consistently against a lot of what Bush was doing.


By all means, tell me what "my side" is and who "my people" are.

When I came, I noticed he was very pro-Bush. Oh, yeah, like right over here: http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/363386/page/1

Not saying he's wrong but he IS very.... zealous about it. Not as much as non-manly men destroying the world, tho.

For one, "your side" and "you people" constantly assume that anyone who disagrees with you lusts Bush. You're more convincing when you actually read and/or know the positions of the people you disagree with instead of just assigning them a bunch of positions at your whimsy and then taking them to task for them.

I'm glad you posted that ANECDOTAL evidence to show how much DW loves Bush. It's probably the closest he ever came to praising Bush, and yet even in that post he criticizes him more than once. Thank you for proving my point. Now should I anecdotally post some thread where he called Bush a jerk so we can both practice running for Congress?
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Raise your hand if you think Tripp labelling a post "Rant" is redundant.
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Darilian wrote:
I think its now being rewritten into "If you have any skepticism about how great a politician Mr. Obama is, then you MUST have been a big supporter for GW Bush."


No, if you rant here about how dumb Obama is, you were probably a big supporter of John McCain.

Which you are doing an excellent job of demonstrating.


1)- I said Obama was incompetent. Tripp said he was dumb.

2)- I've said before that I supported (in money and time) Sen. John McCain's two bids for the Presidency.

Which is about all you're going to bait out of me today, sorry for ruining your plans. Feel free to go back to your regularly scheduled defense of the President on the intrawebs...I'm sure that someone might talk about his stupid looking pants sometime later today- and you'll be NEEDED to set them straight.

Have fun defending the superhero President!

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jarredscott78 wrote:
Magic Pink wrote:
49xjohn wrote:


What is your point?


That Bush was an angel and Obama eats babies; it's the same point he fails to make in all his posts.


Your "side" would fare better if "you people" didn't constantly accuse DW of supporting Bush. When I arrived at RSP I noticed that DW was consistently against a lot of what Bush was doing.


Well Jarred... the RSP Lefty camp is suffering from this: Lefty Truth

What's ironic is that I clicked on the article from another thread... started reading and quickly say the RSP liberals as perfect examples of the phenomena.

Oh... and Dar? I didn't vote for McCain either. Although he's less of a political moron than Obama and most certainly a hero... it would be moronic to vote for someone because they aren't Bush or aren't Obama. Hope that doesn't offend anyone. You may liberals return to your regularly scheduled cognitive relativism now.


Oh, I know that YOU didn't vote for McCain. Traitor.

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Tripp, you forgot to mention that even Jon Stewart called Obama's statement "stupid".
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1)- I said Obama was incompetent. Tripp said he was dumb.


This is a big difference? If he were smart, he wouldn't be incompetent, right?

I just think that when the same people who opposed Obama all along post over and over about how they still oppose him, it's hardly informative. When they post about how now all of America is turning against him, but it's the same old people saying it who have been against him all along, it sounds like wishful thinking.
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Reagan's 8 years are defined, by his detractors, in the context of the Iran/Contra affair. But that pales before the "tear down this wall" moment or the tough old man cracking jokes and asking about Brady after having been shot on live TV.
Carter? No problem. Helicopters crashing in the desert.
Bush sr.? Easy, throwing up at a state dinner in Asia. That and "read my lips".
Clinton? Gimme a break.... blow jobs aren't sexual relations. That and in his first term finally hiding Hillary before she completely ruined his image.
Bush, GW? Standing in the rubble of the Twin Towers. But the bad defining moment was the "mission accomplished" banner speech.


Interesting. When I think of these Presidents, those are the last things I think of. They're just sound bites (or the equivalent) -- maybe they resonate with a theme of their presidency or maybe not, but to call them defining moments seems to buy deliberately into the most shallow, partisan analysis.

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I'll go with the "blip" crowd on this one. I agree with you that it's foolish and inappropriate for the President to weigh in on something like this, especially to take sides and call the other side stupid. But by the same token, once the locals are satisfied -- which they seem to be in this case -- the only way it remains a big deal is if outside partisans work hard at it and get very lucky.
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I don't think I've ever seen the OP derail a great thread, within his actual original post! Great job, Tripp!

Ford: Falling down the stairs from the airplane. Or during the debate with Carter when he said that Eastern Europe (or was it a specific country?) was not under Soviet influence. Or "If Lincoln was alive today, he'd be rolling over in his grave." Classic!

Nixon: Well, duh.

Harrison: Dying after 32 days in office.
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1)- I said Obama was incompetent. Tripp said he was dumb.


This is a big difference? If he were smart, he wouldn't be incompetent, right?


I think this is a valid nitpick. There are plenty of smart people who aren't competent. One of the reasonable anti-Obama arguments during the campaign was that he was too young and inexperienced and that his undeniable* intelligence could prove insufficient without the experience.

I was part of a team that suffered from this precise problem. The overall IQ and business intelligence of the team was very high but we were short on gray hair and, specifically, experience at the task we'd been hired to do. If our CEO had traded in ten IQ points for another five years of experience in a comparable role, I think we'd have done a lot better.




* to people who don't live in the magical world of Tripponia.
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1)- I said Obama was incompetent. Tripp said he was dumb.


This is a big difference? If he were smart, he wouldn't be incompetent, right?



Case in point-
Jimmy Carter.

Very intelligent. EXTREMELY incompetent- as a President.

Being smart and well intentioned is not enough to be a good President. And America will learn that lesson- AGAIN- with Pres. Obama.

Unless he's able to all of a sudden learn leadership skills in a REAL hurry.

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1)- I said Obama was incompetent. Tripp said he was dumb.


This is a big difference? If he were smart, he wouldn't be incompetent, right?

I just think that when the same people who opposed Obama all along post over and over about how they still oppose him, it's hardly informative. When they post about how now all of America is turning against him, but it's the same old people saying it who have been against him all along, it sounds like wishful thinking.


That's not what his popularity ratings are saying.
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