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I think he makes an excellent case.
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The Norse Mythology theory sold me.
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In my system of philosophical belief, nothing can be true unless it's been expressed in a DWTripp rant.

And Tripp hasn't ranted that Obama isn't a citizen, yet. So it must not be true.
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Finally!

Now my young earth theories might finally be taken seriously.
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I love the Norse proof.
 
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quozl wrote:
I love the Norse proof.


Of all the wacky things that could possibly be quoted in a birth-certificate wharrgarbl post, the one I least expected was Marvel Comics' Ultimates Volume 2.

/Or possibly My Life, by Katharine Hepburn.
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bill_galloway wrote:
quozl wrote:
I love the Norse proof.


Of all the wacky things that could possibly be quoted in a birth-certificate wharrgarbl post, the one I least expected was Marvel Comics' Ultimates Volume 2.


Obviously, he was making the ultimate proof.
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Koldfoot wrote:
The second is that Obama claimed Indonesian citizenship


How could he possibly have claimed any kind of citizenship? He was six years old. If my six year old says he's a poodle, does that make it so?
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Koldfoot wrote:
He travelled on an Indonesian passport as a young man.


Says who?

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You are probably confusing the fact that he was six years old when his father enrolled him in a muslim school.


It's true, I can't keep the nutty right-wing stories from getting all jumbled together. My bad.
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Koldfoot wrote:
There are several flaws in the basic premise of the piece. The first is that any doubt over his certificate of live birth is not the main issue. The second is that Obama claimed Indonesian citizenship at a time Indonesian law did not provide for dual citizenship. Obama did nothing to regain his American citizenship after that point.


Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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Koldfoot wrote:
There are several flaws in the basic premise of the piece. The first is that any doubt over his certificate of live birth is not the main issue.


Well, it's certainly one that gets brought up a lot -- as in, "Where's the birth certificate???"

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The second is that Obama claimed Indonesian citizenship at a time Indonesian law did not provide for dual citizenship. Obama did nothing to regain his American citizenship after that point.


Obama would not have lost his American citizenship so there's nothing to regain. Indonesian law can recognize or not recognize his U.S. citizenship, but if it doesn't the U.S. is not required to cancel it.

This objection might hold weight if Obama decides one day to run for office in Indonesia...

When WorldNetDaily is pointing out flaws in right-wing conspiracies, you know the conspiracy is pretty nutty.

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Indonesian law at the time also did not recognize dual citizenship, meaning if Obama became Indonesian, then as far as that country was concerned, his U.S. citizenship was no longer recognized by Indonesia. But U.S. law would still recognize Obama as an American citizen. (emphasis added)
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Arrrrh - the socialist lefties are all "metaphysical realism" believers - hey!? Not the communist dictators though - they had balls and were positivists.

Well that'll be putting the conservatives into the irrefutable "mentalist" position. Rove, displaying the pre-sentience that proves this case said, "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create reality."

A flashback to the good old days, when the President of the most powerful nation on earth looked and spoke like a moron when on TV. Palin's administration will help re-create those glory days.
 
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Koldfoot wrote:
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There are several flaws in the basic premise of the piece. The first is that any doubt over his certificate of live birth is not the main issue.


Well, it's certainly one that gets brought up a lot -- as in, "Where's the birth certificate???"

As I understand it that is not in question either, except when presented by Obama supporters.


I don't think it's Obama supporters that are buying "Where's the Birth Certificate" postcards from the WND store. Those are apparently their top-selling item.

WorldNetDaily wrote:
I'm encouraging Americans to send these postcards in plenty of time for Barack Obama's birthday," said Joseph Farah, editor and chief executive officer of WND and someone who has made it his personal mission to find that missing birth certificate. "This is an opportunity to anyone to send two messages at once to Obama – one concerning the search for truth about his constitutional eligibility for office and the second your own personalized note.


Maybe "Indonesia might not consider Obama to be a U.S. citizen!" just wasn't catchy enough?
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I thought this kind of mud slinging was always done before the elections. The US never stops to amaze me.

The good news for the right wingers seems to be: if Obama is not born in the USA and can become president, then there's still a chance for Arnold!


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Another smackdown of the birfurs from conservative standard The National Review:

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZTRjMTFhMzQxYmEzNjA2YWI...=
 
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It is grossly overlookded and should be noted somewhere in this thread that the guy who made this a national issue, the guy who took Obama to court to get an injunction on his Presidential bid was a democrat and a big Hillary Clinton supporter.


I agree. I think a lot of the radical right that is reflexively supporting this because it seems "anti-Obama" would just as reflexively drop it like a hot potato if it came out that it was a Hillary thing.
 
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Koldfoot wrote:
Edit: In a nutshell, it seems to me if the left would drop the issue it would go away.


Excuse me? Isn't it you who promoted the conspiracy theories several times in this thread? Are you "the left" now??
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Koldfoot wrote:

In a nutshell, it seems to me if the left would drop the issue it would go away.


Hardly.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20090727/pl_politico/25444

"When lawmakers return home for recess in August, they can expect to hear tough questions from constituents on the economy, health care and government spending.

But Republicans are preparing for something else: the birthers.

As GOP Rep. Mike Castle learned the hard way back home in Delaware this month, there’s no easy way to deal with the small but vocal crowd of right-wing activists who refuse to believe that President Barack Obama was born in the United States.

When Castle countered that Obama is, in fact, “a citizen of the United States,” the crowd erupted in boos, the woman seized control of the gathering and led a recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance. The video went viral; by Sunday, it had been viewed on YouTube more than half a million times.

And birthers say members should expect more of the same in the coming weeks."
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Koldfoot wrote:
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It is grossly overlookded and should be noted somewhere in this thread that the guy who made this a national issue, the guy who took Obama to court to get an injunction on his Presidential bid was a democrat and a big Hillary Clinton supporter.


I agree. I think a lot of the radical right that is reflexively supporting this because it seems "anti-Obama" would just as reflexively drop it like a hot potato if it came out that it was a Hillary thing.


Have you actually heard anyone make the claim recently?


Yes, absolutely. Lou Dobbs has brought it up repeatedly, then there's the viral video of the woman who crashed the Republican congressman's (edit: see Marshall's post) town hall meeting. If you want more grassroots stuff, there this post two days ago at FreeRepublic where a bunch of right-wingers freak out over Ann Coulter calling them (birthers) cranks. Or there's the editor of WorldNetDaily with this editorial proclaiming yesterday that the issue is very alive and that Big Media is on its way out because of its alleged failure to squash the story.

Hopefully yesterday and the day before is recent enough for you.

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Since Obama got the nomination and the Supreme Court ruled against the democrats making the claim it is the left that keeps bringing up the subject.


They are certainly having a great deal of fun pointing and laughing at it, because it makes the right look like morons. But if the far right didn't give the left something to point and laugh at in the first place, there'd be no story. The problem is exacerbated by Republicans not having the stones to tell these people to knock it off.

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They keep trying to debunk it as if it is an issue that keeps getting raised by their opponents, which it hasn't.


FreeRepublic and WorldNetDaily are two of the biggest conservative forums on the web, and plenty of their members think it's a huge issue.

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Edit: In a nutshell, it seems to me if the left would drop the issue it would go away.


Wishful thinking, I'm afraid. If the left "dropped" the issue, the wingnuts would just get louder and louder about how people were "scared" to bring it up and how their voices were getting ignored.

I'm not being partisan here -- both parties have plenty of idiots on their radical fringe. The left certainly has its equivalent; and as the National Review article points out, there is a large amount of cross-pollination between the Stupidest Leftist Conspiracy Theory of the Decade (9/11 was a inside job) and this, on the shortlist for the Stupidest Rightist Conspiracy Theory of the Decade.

The 9/11 Troofers, funnily enough, claimed oppression in equal and opposite degrees -- except that instead of the Evil Liberal Media ignoring the story, it was the Evil Corporate Media.

edit#2: verbiage.
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Philip Berg (the lawyer and Hillary Clinton supporter) who brought the initial birther lawsuit was also a 9/11 conspiracy theorist.

wikipedia wrote:
In October 2004, Berg filed Rodriguez v. Bush, accusing the President of the United States and 155 other parties of complicity in the 9/11 attacks. His 237-page civil lawsuit included allegations pursuant to the RICO (Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act) against The United States Of America, the Federal Emergency Management Agency, the Department of Homeland Security, George Herbert Walker Bush, George Walker Bush, Richard Cheney, Donald H. Rumsfeld,and numerous others, totaling 156 defendants[8] in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania.

On June 2006 the court dismissed all of his claims against all of the remaining 153 defendants on July 17, 2006.


He is also the author of the Obama Crimes blog.
http://www.obamacrimes.com/

According to law.com, Berg's methods and cases are questionable at best.
http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1122023117263

Anyway, that's where this all started. And yes, it was during the Democratic primaries, but certainly became a right-wing issue when Obama received the nomination.
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Didn't this die out in October of last year?
 
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mdp4828 wrote:
Koldfoot wrote:

In a nutshell, it seems to me if the left would drop the issue it would go away.


Hardly.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20090727/pl_politico/25444


If I was a Democrat strategist without scruples I'd be looking to grease the rails of the Birthers.

Provides a lovely little fire in the Republicans house that makes lots of smoke and sucks credibility.
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