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A player had an encounter with the Ne'er-Do-Well whom he attacked. Turns out the ne'er-do-well was hitting on some comely youth. The result of the attack was to drive off the ne-er-do-well. The rest of the encounter depended on whether or not the player was the same sex or opposite sex...of *what* we couldn't determine.

Did the encounter mean "opposite sex of the comely youth"? If so...what was the sex of the comely youth? Are we supposed to roll a die to determine? If the youth intended to always be a he? If so, how can you tell when a gender is just generalized (as per the bit in the front of the tales book saying that "he" is used to simply the writing, not to imply gender) or if it's supposed to be a hard-and-fast gender ruling?
 
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Comely usually refers to women. The Encounter should be more specific though.
 
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I would have guessed the opposite, as youth is most commonly (though not exclusively) used for young males.

From merriam-webster.com:

2 a : a young person; especially: a young male between adolescence and maturity.
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Sphere wrote:
I would have guessed the opposite, as youth is most commonly (though not exclusively) used for young males.

From merriam-webster.com:

2 a : a young person; especially: a young male between adolescence and maturity.


Yeah, youth means the same to me as well which was why it could potentially go either way. However since I believe this was translated from German (in fact I think we found an encounter with either a typo or a rather fitting German word), I could see Anmutig Jungend being the original source to refer to a young comely female which would then be translated back into English as Comely Youth.

Edit: My German is rather rusty, but I believe Jungend uses the neuter form of Die, which means it isn't applied to (typically) only males like "Youth" is in English.
 
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When in doubt, just pick the result that would make the game more funny.
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Why not just randomize it with the destiny die, just like every other turn?
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jyeackle wrote:
However since I believe this was translated from German (in fact I think we found an encounter with either a typo or a rather fitting German word), I could see Anmutig Jungend being the original source to refer to a young comely female which would then be translated back into English as Comely Youth.


The original version was in English, printed by West End Games in New York City. There was a German version later, but I'd assume it was the translation, unless you know that the specific paragraph was added for that version by a German.
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Comely by itself usually refers to beautiful as in a woman

HOWEVER

a "Comely Youth" is almost always associated with a guy


as is "A Youth"


We met an angry youth along the road ---> this would be a guy

YOUTH is the key word, not COMELY.


I have NEVER seen a singular female referred to as a youth as in "I met a youth the other day"....but have seen females included of course in "the youth of today are such and such" etc and so forth

lol

So a comely youth would be a guy. Plus the adventurous youth is how young men are referred to in the Arabian Nights tales of which I have read many many.

-Doug

(p.s. comely lass is a female )
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UndeadViking wrote:
When in doubt, just pick the result that would make the game more funny.


That is pretty much how we play. Which explains why, when my character went insane, everyone else decided to vote on which option would cause me more pain...
 
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I think I found the paragraph, #468, derived from Lovesick Ne'er-do-well, Matrix D, Punish (with a + result on the Destiny Die)

After reading it, I'd say it's most def. a beautiful boy. In case anyone doesn't wanna see a paragraph they haven't encountered yet, I used the spoiler tags.

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Your intervention prevents the ugly other from pressing his perverse suit on a comely youth, who is very grateful to you.

If you are of the opposite sex or are Married: The comely youth insists you accept a small gift in gratitude (reward info).

If you are the same sex and are not Married: The grateful - and most lovely - youth takes both your hands in his, and leads you to a private place where you spend an evening in most pleasant play (reward info).


After all that, as stated before it's about whatever makes it the most fun or funny. I can't wait to play this again!
 
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Superhawk2300 wrote:
Why not just randomize it with the destiny die, just like every other turn?


Yay, do I get points for spotting the Superhawk rant in a ToTAN thread??



Can't wait to pick up this game . . .
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jyeackle wrote:
I think I found the paragraph, #468, derived from Lovesick Ne'er-do-well, Matrix D, Punish (with a + result on the Destiny Die)

After reading it, I'd say it's most def. a beautiful boy.


Paragraph #468 can also be reached via an encounter with a Hag (female) as well as a Hunchback, Slave, Thief, or Ne'er-Do-Well (male). My intention with the semi-epicene noun "youth" there was that the "youth" would be the opposite gender from the encountered character. But the word "perverse" complicates that.

If you want to play with the intent, the "youth" is the opposite sex from the encountered noun, and "perverse" simply means "inappropriate [for whatever reason]". However, by the following principle:

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After all that, as stated before it's about whatever makes it the most fun or funny.


then deciding randomly actually works quite well!

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I can't wait to play this again!


Me too!
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I a case like this we used the gender of the picture on the encounter card as a basis for comparison. So if the Ne'er-do-well was a man on the card I would assume the youth in the text was a woman. My apologies for hetero-normativity (sp?).
 
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Wow, the bar has really dropped on what it considered a rant now-days.

My point being the whole game is basically random - even the parts where you choose your answer you are not given any real meaningful information to base your choice on. So that being said there really is no "wrong" way to get through any sticking points in the game - the destiny die can turn any encounter into a favorable one or a unfavorable one during the course of every encounter - just roll it again when you run into the rare goof-ups in the encounters and move on. Don't see how that would really change the makeup of the game and offend anyone.
 
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In the spoiler text, there's a part where it says "takes your hands in his," so it's a dude unless someone who says otherwise is a developer for the game.
 
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Berinor wrote:
In the spoiler text, there's a part where it says "takes your hands in his," so it's a dude unless someone who says otherwise is a developer for the game.

They use 'him' and 'his' as default, even if it's a woman, as the paragraphs can be used for different characters.
 
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dkearns wrote:
I a case like this we used the gender of the picture on the encounter card as a basis for comparison. So if the Ne'er-do-well was a man on the card I would assume the youth in the text was a woman. My apologies for hetero-normativity (sp?).


That was actually my original thought, but the other players seemed satisfied with a roll so I wasn't going to say much. I think in the future, knowing this encounter can be reached from multiple encounter origins, I'll treat the youth as the opposite gender of the pictured character on the encounter card.

Anway, in our case, Ali Baba ended up having "tender moments" with a young man. NTTAWWT.
 
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TheBannister wrote:
Berinor wrote:
In the spoiler text, there's a part where it says "takes your hands in his," so it's a dude unless someone who says otherwise is a developer for the game.

They use 'him' and 'his' as default, even if it's a woman, as the paragraphs can be used for different characters.


It's too bad they don't consistently use "other" or "other's" or the appropriate referent noun instead of all the gendered pronouns. Even if it would make the writing a little more awkward.
 
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And I think Ali Baba was sad to leave the next morning.soblue
 
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