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In another thread, a question has arisen about what kind of contact strippers make with customers. I'm curious to know what people's knowledge/experience is in this. I'll start:

My only exposure to strip clubs is from 20-ish years ago.

At that time, the clubs I saw in Tennessee and Georgia (Atlanta) did not permit physical contact of any type between the dancers and the customers. The setup was that the dancers took turns dancing on the main stage(s) and, in between stage rotations, would circulate among the customers with the goal of being paid for a "table dance" (dancer on table, shockingly enough) or a "lap dance" (dancer standing near seated customer, but with no contact).

I also saw a few clubs in Tampa, Florida. As I recall (and as it was explained to me), they had recently banned alcohol from strip clubs there, and, as a consequence, the restrictions on touching had loosened up considerably. There was still drinking -- it was BYOB -- and, in addition to the standard stage-dancing and table-dancing kind of thing, there was also a back room with chairs lined up against the wall. Customers would sit there, the women would dance in front of them, and the customers were permitted to touch the women in all "non-erogenous" zones (breasts, pubic area and ass).

That's my total exposure -- I've never seen a place with "lap dances" where the woman is actually grinding on the guy.

So, what do y'all know about? (I'm interested to know where/when your information comes from, so I can try to put together how much of this is regional and if it's changed over time and such.)
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In southern Illinois, the money comes from private dances in private rooms, where the customer shouldn't touch the lady, but there's plenty of grinding.

A former stripper I know claims that working at one of those establishments made sure she can't enjoy being on top anymore: the position reminds her of being at the job.
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In southern Illinois, the money comes from private dances in private rooms, where the customer shouldn't touch the lady, but there's plenty of grinding.


I'm a little confused. Is the grinding permitted (though the customer couldn't initiate contact), or is it impermissible but happens anyway? Do you have a sense of what the restrictions on touching are in more detail?
 
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Huh. Given that we're in RSP, I was certain from the subject header that this thread would be about refinishing furniture.


Noooo! Now you've just set up the inevitable knob-polishing joke!
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That's my total exposure -- I've never seen a place with "lap dances" where the woman is actually grinding on the guy.

So, what do y'all know about? (I'm interested to know where/when your information comes from, so I can try to put together how much of this is regional and if it's changed over time and such.)

In California, the rules for strip clubs are different county by county. To my knowledge, there are no laws governing personal contact specifically in a strip club; those are set by the particular club and dancer.
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The rules are actually set up by the city the club is in. Most cities forbid contact of any kind, of course, that doesn't mean the clubs enforce that law especially if the price is right.

And a lap dance still means no contact; if there's any contact, and I mean even a hand on a shoulder, it's not a "legal" lap dance. Some cities even insist on the distance between strippers and the audience to never be less then 6 feet. Yes, that means you can't even tip them.
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The rules are actually set up by the city the club is in. Most cities forbid contact of any kind, of course, that doesn't mean the clubs enforce that law especially if the price is right.

And a lap dance still means no contact; if there's any contact, and I mean even a hand on a shoulder, it's not a "legal" lap dance. Some cities even insist on the distance between strippers and the audience to never be less then 6 feet. Yes, that means you can't even tip them.


There are no rules that are identical from city to city. Some states (New Hampshire?) don't even have laws outlawing consensual sex for money at the strip club itself.

Here in Idaho there are state restrictions against everything from actual nipples being shown to physical contact. Yes folks... Idaho is NOT the place to be if you want to see bare pussy and pink nipples.

Nonetheless MP, your assertion about contact is untrue as a general rule but may be true in various states, cities, etc. Vegas, where prostitution is illegal has clubs where actual contact occurs legally in the passing of tip money. The same clubs have private lap dance rooms and that's totally legal.... and you know they're either getting laid, a BJ, hand job in there or setting up a date for later.

Overall, as a guy who was married to a fine looking lady back in 1971 who danced in a nude review in Vegas and then later danced all nude in Los Angeles, most modern strip clubs are pretty boring to me... and Idaho even more so because you can see a bikini chick on the local lakes and rivers for no cover charge.


*note* There is a loophole in the law here that does not prohibit stripping nude so long as no alcohol is served or allowed on the premises. One guy has had a club offering that for years. He ran afoul of the local Puritans once or twice and had to defend himself legally but he's still open...but no physical contact allowed.
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Magic Pink wrote:
The rules are actually set up by the city the club is in. Most cities forbid contact of any kind, of course, that doesn't mean the clubs enforce that law especially if the price is right.

And a lap dance still means no contact; if there's any contact, and I mean even a hand on a shoulder, it's not a "legal" lap dance. Some cities even insist on the distance between strippers and the audience to never be less then 6 feet. Yes, that means you can't even tip them.


So are you telling us what the laws are or are you telling us what generally happens?
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The rules are actually set up by the city the club is in. Most cities forbid contact of any kind, of course, that doesn't mean the clubs enforce that law especially if the price is right.

And a lap dance still means no contact; if there's any contact, and I mean even a hand on a shoulder, it's not a "legal" lap dance. Some cities even insist on the distance between strippers and the audience to never be less then 6 feet. Yes, that means you can't even tip them.


So are you telling us what the laws are or are you telling us what generally happens?


Neither, I think. Your statement doesn't really make any sense.
 
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(they know the score when I show up wearing sweatpants sans underwear).


I can't decide if this deserves a thumbs up or a "wtf?".


It deserves both -- I gave my thumb, so here is the rest : WTF????
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(they know the score when I show up wearing sweatpants sans underwear)
I don't know the exact score but I'd bet on the sweatpants to lose.
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Magic Pink wrote:
The rules are actually set up by the city the club is in. Most cities forbid contact of any kind, of course, that doesn't mean the clubs enforce that law especially if the price is right.

And a lap dance still means no contact; if there's any contact, and I mean even a hand on a shoulder, it's not a "legal" lap dance. Some cities even insist on the distance between strippers and the audience to never be less then 6 feet. Yes, that means you can't even tip them.


MP, could you be more specific about the basis of your knowledge? In particular, I'm interested to know the basis for your statements that most cities forbid contact and that a lap dance is illegal if there's contact.
 
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(they know the score when I show up wearing sweatpants sans underwear).


I can't decide if this deserves a thumbs up or a "wtf?".


It deserves both -- I gave my thumb, so here is the rest : WTF????


It's very simple. Sweatpants are soft and allow you to feel a lot of sensation from the grind/dry hump, thus requiring less dances, and less money spent, before completion is achieved.


Thanks for explaining the idea that the sweatpants being the only barrier between the stripper and your cock results in a faster orgasm -- I didn't quite get that.

My WTF is more to do with most people that I know still retain that go to stripclubs still retain the final modicum of deceny of at least wearing underwear.
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The first time I ever went to NYC was in 1995, before the Disnification of Times Square. And boy, was it unDisnified!

My band was making a hasty retreat out of New Jersey at about two in the morning, and we pulled across the bridge into Manhattan and parked the van. A couple of the guys wanted to cop some Zs, but the other four of us were, like, "Fuck that! This is the city that never sleeps!" And so we set out looking for what we could find.

Well, the neighborhood we'd pulled into was just a bunch of yuppie bars, so we asked a passing cabbie, "Where's the whores?" None of us were in the market, mind you, but that was the sort of thing we wanted to see. We were a bunch of punk rockers from North Dakota, and a couple of my fellows had never left the state in their lives, so this coast-to-coast tour had been eye-opening to say the least! But our eyes could still be opened wider, and we figured NYC was the place to do it.

Anyway, the cabbie says, "Times Square!" We ask how to get there, and he says to take whatever line on the subway. So we piled onto the subway in the wee hours of the morning, goin' to Times Square to see how they do it in Gomorrah.

When we walked up out of the subway station, it was AMAZING! It was bright as daylight, and within five minutes of arriving, we'd been offered every illicit pleasure we could want. Homeless guys had stacks of dumpster-dived porn mags on dirty blankets, and hookers plied their trade openly--and most of them were really good looking! I'll never forget seeing a gal talking to two guys in an El Camino, when she pulled her skirt up to give them a preview (or maybe prove her bona fides as a female...).

There were lots of drug dealers; most of my band was straightedge, but our bassist (a sixteen year old kid whose real name was Ryan Vandal (one of the guys who'd never been out of ND)) bought some "acid" from a dude which turned out to be notebook paper. I hadn't seen the transaction go down, and was delighted that he got burned trying to buy drugs on my watch. Straightedge in your face, Ryan!

Then there were the porno bookstores. We went in one, and man, it was filled with the craziest stuff I'd ever seen. This was before the internet had brought Goatse and Tubgirl into our collective consciousness, and I was taken aback by the rows of illegal porn displayed openly on the walls. There was fisting, piss-drinking and shit-eating, and a section of animal porn that still haunts me today. My jaw dropped, and I wildly looked around the place, wanting to warn people that someone had apparently slipped some unholy stuff into the place while no one was looking. But I was alone in my freaked-outedness, left standing agape amid the blase consumers of this freakery.

Then there was the strip club (see, this is on-topic if you read long enough!). I thought it was one of those places where the little window is raised and you watch through a glass panel--you know, like the Madonna video? The one where the ten year old tries to get in to see Madonna stripping? (Ah, the innocent days of youth!) Anyway, it wasn't quite like that. It was a circular "stage" area, and it was surrounded by little booths, but when the little window went up, there was no glass! The "dancers" would come over and ask, "Want a touch?" It was, like, five dollars for the boobs, ten for the ass, and twenty for--well, you know what for. And an option, apparently, for reciprocation, as I saw dancers with their arms reached into other booths. I was way too naive for this kind of scene (remind me to tell you about the time I accidentally picked up two hookers in Minneapolis), and bugged out of there with a quickness.

So, in Times Square in 1995, anyway, there were no restrictions on contact! Hell, there was no law at all!
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The first time I ever went to NYC was in 1995, before the Disnification of Times Square. And boy, was it unDisnified!
Way back in 1991, there was a Norwegian exchange student living in my dorm. He was really tall, had flaming red hair, and liked to get liquored up and fight. His name was Erik, so naturally everyone called him Erik the Viking. He was a hoot.

While living in the US, his main goal was to go to Times Square and watch a porno movie in an actual theater. He flew to NYC on spring break, and afterwards we asked about his adventure.

It's difficult to communicate in written form how hilarious his delivery was, so imagine this as said by Arnold Schwarzenegger in The Terminator.

"It was gross. It smelled like teen spirit."
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As a dude who's never stepped foot in a strip club ...
Ain't missing much. Imagine panhandling. With tits.
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(they know the score when I show up wearing sweatpants sans underwear)

This is on your way home from game night, right?
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Lawson, try getting out of the Bible Belt once in awhile. And try moving into the here and now--20 years is a very long time as far as moral turpitude is concerned.
 
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Holmes! wrote:

So, in Times Square in 1995, anyway, there were no restrictions on contact! Hell, there was no law at all!


You must have been there on a Thursday? It's only like that on Thursdays.
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Lawson, try getting out of the Bible Belt once in awhile. And try moving into the here and now--20 years is a very long time as far as moral turpitude is concerned.


Huh? I offered my experience (limited to the places and time I mentioned, since I'm not planning on updating or expanding the geographic scope of my knowledge of strip clubs) with the obvious understanding that it wasn't universal -- I started the thread precisely to gain a broader understanding by soliciting others' information to add to my own, limited scope.

If you have some knowledge to add, I'll look forward to hearing it; otherwise, I suppose I'll have to content myself with what appears to be a splash o' snide.
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As a dude who's never stepped foot in a strip club ...
Ain't missing much. Imagine panhandling. With tits.


Really? I haven't been to a strip club for probably 20 years... maybe 15... but there used to be some very, very talented, athletic and creative strippers out there. I don't see that as "panhandling" because the panhandler wants money for nothing. The stripper performs.

I mentioned my 1st wife being a dancer. When we moved to LA and she began work at an all-nude night club (they had just been declared legal in California) she worked hard on each set she had to do. Her average take back then was about $1500 a week in tips and the club paid her about $2000 a month. Those guys were tipping her because they enjoyed her dances or she turned them on.

She was very good... no doubt those guys were proud of the fact that they'd give her money and then she'd go home with me.

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Lawson, try getting out of the Bible Belt once in awhile. And try moving into the here and now--20 years is a very long time as far as moral turpitude is concerned.


Huh? I offered my experience (limited to the places and time I mentioned, since I'm not planning on updating or expanding the geographic scope of my knowledge of strip clubs) with the obvious understanding that it wasn't universal -- I started the thread precisely to gain a broader understanding by soliciting others' information to add to my own, limited scope.

If you have some knowledge to add, I'll look forward to hearing it; otherwise, I suppose I'll have to content myself with what appears to be a splash o' snide.


I'm sorry that it came across to you as mere snideness. I thought that a word to the wise would suffice, but apparently it required great detail and belaboring of the point, in order to provide you any value. I'm not in the mood.
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As a dude who's never stepped foot in a strip club ...
Ain't missing much. Imagine panhandling. With tits.


Really? I haven't been to a strip club for probably 20 years... maybe 15... but there used to be some very, very talented, athletic and creative strippers out there. I don't see that as "panhandling" because the panhandler wants money for nothing. The stripper performs.

I mentioned my 1st wife being a dancer. When we moved to LA and she began work at an all-nude night club (they had just been declared legal in California) she worked hard on each set she had to do. Her average take back then was about $1500 a week in tips and the club paid her about $2000 a month. Those guys were tipping her because they enjoyed her dances or she turned them on.

She was very good... no doubt those guys were proud of the fact that they'd give her money and then she'd go home with me.


OK. Now you're just bragging.
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DWTripp wrote:
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GAWD wrote:
As a dude who's never stepped foot in a strip club ...
Ain't missing much. Imagine panhandling. With tits.


Really? I haven't been to a strip club for probably 20 years... maybe 15... but there used to be some very, very talented, athletic and creative strippers out there. I don't see that as "panhandling" because the panhandler wants money for nothing. The stripper performs.

I mentioned my 1st wife being a dancer. When we moved to LA and she began work at an all-nude night club (they had just been declared legal in California) she worked hard on each set she had to do. Her average take back then was about $1500 a week in tips and the club paid her about $2000 a month. Those guys were tipping her because they enjoyed her dances or she turned them on.

She was very good... no doubt those guys were proud of the fact that they'd give her money and then she'd go home with me.


OK. Now you're just bragging.


So? Wouldn't you? Hot is hot man... and somebody has to put out the fire.
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Holmes! wrote:
remind me to tell you about the time I accidentally picked up two hookers in Minneapolis


I was sitting at a stop sign waiting to turn when a hooker jumped in my truck and pulled down her pants, I asked her politely to get out because I wasn't paying for that. Although she wasn't ugly, I'm not down with the hooker thing. I did ask her how much she charged though and she said, "A dub."

(This was in St Paul, MN when I first moved there.)
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