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Subject: Refreshing Plot/Shadow Card Decks rss

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Michael Bricker
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Hello all,

While my friends are all busy flaking out on me after promising to play MEQ with me this weekend, yuk , I have been rabidly reading the rules over and over, and I've run into a bit of a question.

To put it simply, what happens when the plot/shadow decks run out? Is the discard pile simply shuffled in when a new card is supposed to be drawn, much like the others? The reason I ask is that I can't seem to find any specific place where it states that the shadow/plot deck is refilled.

I guess the same question goes for the peril deck, but for some reason I didn't come here to post about that one.

Thanks!
 
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David K.
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I thnk resuffling is appropriate, should the occasion ever present itself. But honestly, I don't think you will ever get to that point.

I say this only having played once, and we were able to keep the plot cards to a minumum, and Sauron played more influnce and monsters rather than shadow cards (but he did play some of those too).

Your mileage may vary.

 
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Dan Poole
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At the back of the rules on pg 35, there is a little blurb about reshuffling. It basically states that when any deck runs out, reshuffle it.
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Michael Bricker
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Ah, okay, there ya go. Thanks.

I kinda figured it would be difficult, seeing as Sauron can only consistently get 3-4 shadow cards, and every time he draws plot cards, he has to put one back into the deck.

But still, I was wondering.
 
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Now, if a plot has gone into active play and a Hero removes it by paying the favor cost, that plot is not shuffled back into the main deck? Is it taken out of play like quests that have been completed?

I figured that the plot decks get reshuffled like Dan mentioned as the plot deck is quite small.

sauron for the win!
 
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Page 13 states that when Heroes remove an active plot it is placed faceup in the discard pile next to the draw pile. (Note that this is different from when Sauron draws plot cards, chooses one and places the others facedown at the bottom of the draw pile.) When Sauron chooses to remove an active plot, it also goes into the discard pile.

Since page 35 says to reshuffle any discard pile into a new draw pile when the draw pile is depleted, that rule would apply to the Plot discard pile as well.
 
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In 13 games so far, haven't seen the Plot deck anywhere near exhausting. I suppose if you take draw 2 cards action twice a turn (or draw 2 twice and then draw 1 in 3-Hero), you might get there eventually, but that won't get you far, as you will have played no monsters and your Shadow Pool could be at 0 .
 
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Peril seems to be the deck that runs out most often. I've yet to have either the plot or shadow deck run out. Corruption also doesn't run out, because Wretched always seems to come up, which reshuffles the discards back into the deck. It's a nasty, nasty card. sauron
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mvettemagred wrote:
Peril seems to be the deck that runs out most often. I've yet to have either the plot or shadow deck run out. Corruption also doesn't run out, because Wretched always seems to come up, which reshuffles the discards back into the deck. It's a nasty, nasty card. sauron


Wretched rocks !

As Sauron.
 
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