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Mystery McMysteryface
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OK, please give me specific reasons in favor of or against one or both.
(and no, I cannot afford to get both!!)

Important points:
-we will play 2-player (my husband and I)
-we want to play in less than 60 minutes
-we want the game to be FUN
-we don't want obvious decisions
-we don't want a game that adds to my husband's Analysis Paralysis problem
-we don't want a game that can be "solved" (because my husband WILL solve it)

Thanks!!

For reference - games we LOVE:
Louis XIV
Acquire
India Rails

And for reference - games we DON'T like:
Carcassonne
Mille Bornes
any luckfest game or solvable game, period
abstracts - this is my husband, who "solves" these games
 
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From those two options, and the fact that you're playing two-player, definitely Saint Petersburg.

However, if the choice were between St Pete and Caylus, then definitely Caylus.

(You'll get Caylus under an hour with two players who have played a few times each).


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Couldn't agree more with Nick.

Caylus Magna Carta is poor with 2 players, whereas Caylus actually scales much better.

Caylus is actually totally luck free with no hidden information, but I would defy anybody to "solve" it any time soon!
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Given your requirements, I'd say St. Petersburg as well.

Magna Carta would be prone to Analysis Paralysis more than St. Petersburg.

Although I will have to say both games play better with more than two. I know you didn't ask but I had to mention.

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Moviebuffs wrote:

From those two options, and the fact that you're playing two-player, definitely Saint Petersburg.
However, if the choice were between St Pete and Caylus, then definitely Caylus.
(You'll get Caylus under an hour with two players who have played a few times each).

I've got to agree with Nick. Saint Petersburg has a degree of "figuring out" but even a player that has the basics figured out can be beaten, and there are several ways to victory. Also: The original Caylus is a great 2 player game and I would lean towards that over Magna Carta. Overall... my suggestion goes towards Saint Petersburg because I've only had the opportunity to play Caylus a dozen times (although it was always enjoyable) and St. Pete is so quick & easy to play that I've had 100's of opportunities and still enjoy it.
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My wife and I traded Caylus Magna Carta because it just felt broken with two. St. Petersburg on the other hand is still one of our favorites.
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I would choose to play Odin's Ravens or The Reef instead of either of those choices.

My wife routinely beats me at both. I don't know that either can be solved, but then again, I am no genius.
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Though it is not one of your choices, you might want to give Goa a shot in the future. Scales VERY well for two.
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Mystery McMysteryface
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TedW wrote:
Though it is not one of your choices, you might want to give Goa a shot in the future. Scales VERY well for two.


Yes Ted, it is on my and many other people's wish/want lists. But sadly, OOP. So, not something I can "click" and place in my shopping cart!! shake
 
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Having played both, I would say St. Petersburg. If you want 2 player Caylus, the get the full version.

For multiplayer Caylus, I prefer Magna Carta.

Cheers!
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A Derk appears from the mists...
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Fun is a prime requirement...? Why are these your only two choices..?
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Mystery McMysteryface
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derk wrote:
Fun is a prime requirement...? Why are these your only two choices..?


I want a card type game with minimal luck that can be played 2-player under 60 minutes (with my hubby's Analysis Paralysis) AND presents a challenge and brain burn.

Price is also a consideration, as we don't have lots of $$ to spend and my hubby is the non-gaming spouse and hard to get to the table. I can't fathom spending lots on games or even 1 game if it's going to sit on a shelf. (And believe me, my games spend LOTS of time on the shelf right now).

I'm also looking to buy something now because the window of time we have to play is less than 60 minutes and our fav's right now are 1-2 hour games.

So Derk, what do you recommend?
 
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St. Pete is definitely lighter and easier. For this reason, I'd probably take CMC instead, because there's a lot more going on. (As others have said, Caylus is better still, albeit longer and pricier.)

Although if you want non-easy decisions and to avoid AP, that's tricky. If someone has to consider every possibility of all future game states, CMC is more complex, so AP could be worse there; an argument for St. Pete. Still, because St. Pete is more calculable, I feel people are much more likely to take the time to calculate things, so that could be another argument for CMC.
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Didja buy it yet? Didja?

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Mystery McMysteryface
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amwiles wrote:

Didja buy it yet? Didja?



Waiting for payday.......(ahem)!!
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St. Pete works for 2 and is fun...
Caylus Light-uh...Magna Carta... is not...laugh\
Caylus should not be in this discussion...it's just
tedious and loooong.
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Another vote for St. Petersburg. But there will be times when the choice is obvious. For example, when choosing workers you will (almost) always want the cheapest worker. So that tends to take the choice out of it. Only rarely would you take something more expensive to deny it to your opponent.

So you still have a choice, but the best choice is obvious.

Another vote for Goa as well.
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Wow!! Thanks guys!!

I guess my decision is obvious!!

Yay!! A new game for me!!

Hurrah!!!

Now........to get my husband away from his GAME and to the gaming table!!

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