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This might be priming. It can happen when two concepts are linked through constant repetition. An association between the concepts is thus developed, even if the individual being exposed to the repetition doesn't consciously agree with the association him/herself. There are some fascinating studies showing priming effects, such as instances where women's scores on math tests will drop simply by having them circle their gender at the top of the page.

Of course, for this to be an example of the effects of priming, we'd first have to identify some source of repetitive association being drawn between liberals and socialists. Anyone got any ideas on that?

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This might be priming. It can happen when two concepts are linked through constant repetition. An association between the concepts is thus developed, even if the individual being exposed to the repetition doesn't consciously agree with the association him/herself. There are some fascinating studies showing priming effects, such as instances where women's scored on math tests will drop simply by having them circle their gender at the top of the page.

Of course, for this to be an example of the effects priming, we'd first have to identify some source of repetitive association being drawn between liberals and socialists. Anyone got any ideas on that?

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Yeah. She's been watching too much of Fox News.
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Of course, for this to be an example of the effects of priming, we'd first have to identify some source of repetitive association being drawn between liberals and socialists. Anyone got any ideas on that?


Sure Matthew... she said what she really thinks. Despite all your psycho-babble and attempts to explain it away, that's what the far left wants.

This clip is old hat though... it's been around for a while. The more interesting clips are of Obama's best friends at ACORN showing an undercover reporter how to evade taxes and helping them with the business plan of importing 13 year old girls from Guatemala and turning them into prostitutes.

The truth hurts when it's finally exposed. It cost them their deal to conduct the census and undermine the integrity of America even more than they already have.
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I keep hearing from the right, or the mucho crapola, whichever way you wish to parse it, that ACORN is somehow some kind of subversionist entity that is against America.

From what I've heard, they are merely an organization that is willing to pay drunks and homeless to show up for legislative events.

Are you really that afraid of drunks and homeless?
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I keep hearing from the right, or the mucho crapola, whichever way you wish to parse it, that ACORN is somehow some kind of subversionist entity that is against America.

From what I've heard, they are merely an organization that is willing to pay drunks and homeless to show up for legislative events.

Are you really that afraid of drunks and homeless?


Who's afraid?

I've been reading about them for a couple of years now. Spend some time researching them and get back to me.
 
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DWTripp wrote:
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I keep hearing from the right, or the mucho crapola, whichever way you wish to parse it, that ACORN is somehow some kind of subversionist entity that is against America.

From what I've heard, they are merely an organization that is willing to pay drunks and homeless to show up for legislative events.

Are you really that afraid of drunks and homeless?


Who's afraid?

I've been reading about them for a couple of years now. Spend some time researching them and get back to me.


Am I understanding this correctly DW? Are you indicating that you are an authority on Acorn? That is awesome! Can you tell us about your research methodology? What have you read? I assume it is not just internet links since you don't "normally" click them It must be all valid sources of information, right? I would love to read them.

Thanks in advance for your service. Once I have your sources I will dig into them with all due gusto, and perfectly willing to admit that I was wrong on thinking Acorn some minor "Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now" group.

While we are on the topic of research, have you started work on the Bilderberg Group yet? I would also be very interested in any quality research on them that you may have discovered.

Yours in anticipation,
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The people who run ACORN seem to be idiots.

However, I don't think the Democrats speak for ACORN anymore than the Republicans speak for survivalists who stockpile firearms.


I didn't say they "speak" for anyone. But they are a tool for Democrat candidates and the unions and through dozens of NPO's they have set up around the country they receive hundreds of millions in federal dollars.

The WSJ had reporters tracking their illegal activities years ago and I came across several articles like this one. When Obama became a candidate and I started reading up on him one of the first things that caught my attention was his close ties with ACORN.

If anyone doesn't think they are a powerful and close ally to the Democrat Party then why were they given lucrative census data gathering contracts as soon as Obama took office? Of course those have been canceled as of yesterday but it's unlikely the depth of the illegal activities, Obaba's close ties and the draining of federal dollars to support a specific candidates will be covered up now.

If GW Bush was found to have been closely tied with a network of survivalist groups who were getting tens of millions of federal dollars to conduct voter registration drives, set up community centers to help white trash rednecks fill out the papers for mortgages they couldn't pay, and committing various and sundry fruads and crimes throughout the nation... all of which were aimed at increasing the number of registered Republican voters... you'd have been outraged.

The propensity for the RSP liberals to snarkily dismiss this criminal organization and Obama's close ties to it merely proves that they don't want to know because once they do they'll be embarrassed. Or, in the case of some who follow me around and snipe, revealed to be willing to condone illegal voter registrations so long as those registered are Democrats.
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The propensity for the RSP liberals to snarkily dismiss this criminal organization and Obama's close ties to it merely proves that they don't want to know because once they do they'll be embarrassed.


Naw, liberals don't get embarrassed. Everything's relative, so nothing can be wrong, so why would they be embarrassed.

See, if conservatives were bringing in underage prostitutes (and the Mafia probably qualifies sometimes), then they would be doing it to profit and that would be evil (ok, everything is relative except things pertaining to capitalism). But ACORN is only doing it to further worthwhile political aims. As some of our liberal members pointed out during the last election, the ends justify the means.



It must be nice to have such moral superiority, what being a chaste conservative. Say "hey!" to Mark Sanford for me will ya?
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The truth hurts when it's finally exposed. It cost them their deal to conduct the census and undermine the integrity of America even more than they already have.


If the truth is socializing big oil, then SIGN ME UP! I'll be waiting for those fat oil profit checks any day now.




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This quote from the article Trippy linked is just priceless.

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Nate Toler, currently head organizer of an Acorn campaign against Wal-Mart in Merced, Calif. In 2004 he worked on an Acorn voter drive in Missouri, and says Acorn statements aren't to be taken at face value: "The internal motto is 'We don't care if it's a lie, just so long as it stirs up the conversation.'"


FYI ACORN has been implicated and found guilty of so many illegal vote tampering efforts in the past 8 years it simply should be barred from ANY future voter drives or election related activities. [size11][/size]
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Hmm, I deleted my post, but since it's now quoted, let's discuss.

I notice that you didn't refute any of the assertions that I made about liberals and/or ACORN, you just pointed out that some conservatives are also scum.

Since I don't identify with either camp, it's kind of funny. I think both sides have some good guys and bad guys. Neither Dems nor Reps are likely to be pushing anything that I'd like to see. Once in a while a minor figure in both parties suggest a change that I could get behind, but they tend to remain minor. Both sides really like the status quo and don't want to deviate too far from the system that keeps them in power.

I will say that since Obama got elected, many criticisms leveled against him are not disagreed with. His fans simply say, "Well, Bush did this." (sometimes related, sometimes a complete diversion) It's too bad that you are happy as long as your guy is better than Bush (who you also often say was the worst President ever). Aiming at not being the worst is probably an achievable goal, but is it worthwhile.
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There were certainly some in the Bush camp that said, "Well, Clinton did this!" It seems to be endemic to today's major parties.
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Hmm, I deleted my post, but since it's now quoted, let's discuss.

I notice that you didn't refute any of the assertions that I made about liberals and/or ACORN, you just pointed out that some conservatives are also scum.

Since I don't identify with either camp, it's kind of funny. I think both sides have some good guys and bad guys. Neither Dems nor Reps are likely to be pushing anything that I'd like to see. Once in a while a minor figure in both parties suggest a change that I could get behind, but they tend to remain minor. Both sides really like the status quo and don't want to deviate too far from the system that keeps them in power.

I will say that since Obama got elected, many criticisms leveled against him are not disagreed with. His fans simply say, "Well, Bush did this." (sometimes related, sometimes a complete diversion) It's too bad that you are happy as long as your guy is better than Bush (who you also often say was the worst President ever). Aiming at not being the worst is probably an achievable goal, but is it worthwhile.


I agree, almost 100% with you - I disagree with the fans and W was worse note. W was no better, nor any worse in this respect, nor was any other politican, let alone President. None of them were perfect. None of them.

Indeed both parties have scum in them was my point. There are plenty of dubious connections and utter scum on both sides. Blago is a great example of a Dem, who not only was a complete scum, but got punished for his actions.

Are there people at Acorn who have/are doing things wrong. I'm sure that there are. It would hardly be difficult for me to list conservative organizations that have similiar problems. However, I think overall, *most* people in *most* legitate oragnizations simply trying to be advocates for their point of view, and I am happy that they are able to do so.

When people get caught doing things illegal, then I should hope law enforcement steps in in, and in most cases - regardless of the affiliation - that is the case.

I think overall Acorn is something of a red herring. I think it is fairly inconsequetial group, but has grabbed the zeitgeist vis a vis the connection with the President.

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There were certainly some in the Bush camp that said, "Well, Clinton did this!" It seems to be endemic to today's major parties.


Indeed. Well said.
 
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Are there people at Acorn who have/are doing things wrong. I'm sure that there are. It would hardly be difficult for me to list conservative organizations that have similiar problems.


Have at it. Make sure you do a thorough search though for how many investigations are currently underway against ACORN for voter fraud. If you can even approach 25% of that number with clearly conservative groups I'd be amazed.

Nobody is saying that either party has a lock on underhanded and illegal activities. Everybody gets money from big business.... everybody... and the Dems get more than their share from supposedly conservative sources. The issue here is wanton and nearly unrestrained voter fraud throughout America that the current administration appears reluctant to pursue. The recent case of the ACORN affiliated Black Power group keeping voters out of a polling station back East being one of the more blatant ones. The administration is foot-dragging on prosecuting those people and I think it's because they don't want the can of worms opened. Which an indictment would do.
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Are there people at Acorn who have/are doing things wrong. I'm sure that there are. It would hardly be difficult for me to list conservative organizations that have similiar problems.


Have at it. Make sure you do a thorough search though for how many investigations are currently underway against ACORN for voter fraud. If you can even approach 25% of that number with clearly conservative groups I'd be amazed.

Nobody is saying that either party has a lock on underhanded and illegal activities. Everybody gets money from big business.... everybody... and the Dems get more than their share from supposedly conservative sources. The issue here is wanton and nearly unrestrained voter fraud throughout America that the current administration appears reluctant to pursue. The recent case of the ACORN affiliated Black Power group keeping voters out of a polling station back East being one of the more blatant ones. The administration is foot-dragging on prosecuting those people and I think it's because they don't want the can of worms opened. Which an indictment would do.


DW, I am not trying to go quid pro quo here I can see how that read as if I wanted to but I don't. My point is that there are plenty of conservative groups (or more appropriately people identified with those groups) that use questionable methods. I am still waiting on your crack research methodology by the by.

Perhaps I have not been clear. There are plenty of crackpots on both sides. I don't think it would prove a thing to go out and find some on this side or that, and figure out who has more investigations. So what? I say where there is illegal activity pursue it. Period. Where there is illegal activity, it should and AFAIK *IS* being investigated. Since you are such the crack invetstigator why don't you help law enforcement out. I'm sure they'd be thrilled.
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While I'm certain that's true, it's also true that several ACORN workers were recently charged with falsifying several hundred voter registration cards....ACORN! Guaranteeing voter fraud...


How is that voter fraud? Did all of those fake voters become real on election day, and vote? No, they did not. They were not real.

Voter registration fraud maybe, but not voter fraud.
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While I'm certain that's true, it's also true that several ACORN workers were recently charged with falsifying several hundred voter registration cards....ACORN! Guaranteeing voter fraud...


How is that voter fraud? Did all of those fake voters become real on election day, and vote? No, they did not. They were not real.

Voter registration fraud maybe, but not voter fraud.


What's more, though ACORN is legally obligated to turn in every registration form they receive, it just so happens that ACORN itself screens them and brings suspicious ones to the attention of investigators. All those instances of voter registration fraud (that one network likes to call "voter" fraud) - turns out that those investigations were largely initiated by ACORN itself, which seems like an awfully funny way of being complicit if you ask me.

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The issue here is wanton and nearly unrestrained voter fraud throughout America that the current administration appears reluctant to pursue.


I'm trying to understand your meaning here. Are you referring to Black Box Voting?
 
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Now, now. Tripp acknowledged a distinction between left and far left. Give the man some credit.
 
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While I'm certain that's true, it's also true that several ACORN workers were recently charged with falsifying several hundred voter registration cards....ACORN! Guaranteeing voter fraud...


How is that voter fraud? Did all of those fake voters become real on election day, and vote? No, they did not. They were not real.

Voter registration fraud maybe, but not voter fraud.


Oh, I see. ACORN created hundreds of fake voter registrations and then planned to . . . what? Paper their restrooms with them? Make party hats? Huh. Who knew!?


I'll make it easy for you.

A person is contracted by ACORN to get new voter registrations. The more registrations they get, the more they get paid. Thinking they are clever, they invent a bunch of 'new people', show more 'registrations', and get paid more than they would have if they had done it fair and square. I am not advocating this behavior. I think a lot of what ACORN does is suspect.

However, when you say that this is voter fraud, you are incorrect. The unscrupulous person at ACORN did not affect the vote in any way with the fake registrations, because the fake people never voted.

Voter fraud, like Black Box Voting, is a serious issue. Voter registration fraud is something else entirely.
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Drew1365 wrote:
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While I'm certain that's true, it's also true that several ACORN workers were recently charged with falsifying several hundred voter registration cards....ACORN! Guaranteeing voter fraud...


How is that voter fraud? Did all of those fake voters become real on election day, and vote? No, they did not. They were not real.

Voter registration fraud maybe, but not voter fraud.


Oh, I see. ACORN created hundreds of fake voter registrations and then planned to . . . what? Paper their restrooms with them? Make party hats? Huh. Who knew!?


Again, ACORN did not create hundred of fake voter registrations. Temp workers that were employed by ACORN, who were paid based on the number of registrations they turned in, faked voter registrations to earn more money. ACORN is legally obligated to submit all registration forms that are returned to them. So ACORN turns them all in - even the suspicious ones, but they also notify the officials when registration forms looks suspicious.


Maybe ACORN is guilty of some shady dealings, but voter registration fraud isn't one of them. ACORN is actually the ones that initiate the investigations by turning in batches of registration forms from temp workers that they suspect of trying to game the system.

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