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This thread for the purpose of flushing out/continuing a discussion from this thread
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/442978
in the women's gaming forum so we don't get it kicked into here.

Where we are at:

Meerkat wrote:
lacxox wrote:
Lynette, thank you for your insights.
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However I think Rusty makes a good point about women already being a smaller part of this community and the men here need to decide if they want to increase female participation than they need to be careful about fostering certain impressions.

I agree on that; I just happen to have been part of or known some societies and clubs where there were at least as many women as men - and no one thought a beauty contest is offensive at all.


Offensive and uncomfortable are very different things.

I doubt most of women here would have found the list "offensive".

But I genuinely always worry before I go to Cons... I mean I really really stress about them because I know how many people are going to be really disappointed with me. Every BGG gets a little bit worse because so many more people recognize "me" as a person of interest on-line and I know they are going to intentionally seek me out.

Again... my baggage - my issues and I would not have objected or been offended by the list. But it certainly would have made me wistful to be what I am not at best ... uncomfortable and feel less valuable as a person at worst ... depending on how emotionally vulnerable I happened to be when I saw it.


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And for the other part (really well said) :
While I agree in many aspect women are devalued by society for not being beautiful I must say none of my friends or colleagues really think looks of women are more important than their personality.


This and the rest of your post make some interesting points that I would be willing to discuss... but we probably should move that discussion to a new thread in RSP.

Especially the how looks can still even effect women's careers. As a Chemical Engineer I have thoughts and experiences on this topic.

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It was only about showing some nice ladies or ladies who we think are nice and collecting some compliments, some thumbs up (and I don't want to use the term thumb-whoring here). I don't think women should feel embarrassed if they don't (or they think can't) take part in a contest like this when they have other great abilities.


By the way not all of the 'contestants' looked like photo models but there were no rude words, only kind ones and lots of thumbs up for everyone. I'm sure if somebody placed your pic on the list you would have garnered lots of thumbs ups too. It wasn't a real contest even if the original poster offered gg for the one that gets most thumbs up; it was just a fun and really not harmful geeklist.



Again I wouldn't have objected to the contest. Many people including women love this sort of thing and I have no wish to deny them their fun. I can even take part in it sometimes vicariously.

I am only responding to this posts to provide perspective not defend the removal of the list in question.

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I can also say men are quite often (intentionally or unintentionally) evaluated by women based on how successful they are in life (it's not ONLY about money, but most women are more attracted to successful men - it's pure biology, just like men's attraction to long legs, wide hips and so on). Still I wouldn't want to delete a geeklist that, say, would be about the cars owned by geeks or the owners of the most games, even if I would think 'shit, why am I not so successful as they are?'.


But what makes a man "successful" is a much larger target and far more complex. There is no *one* trait that dominates this for men.

AND - this is important - sexual attraction factors much lower in those "valuations" for every aspect of life other than as a sexual partner.

In short... Most woman genuinely really VALUE guys immensely who they have zero sexual interest in. Women really do seek out and enjoy male friends and honor and respect men in society for things other than potential "mates" or fuck buddies.

There are many men who are also capable of/currently do this... but they are a lower percentage of the male population.

But again... we are dancing on the edges of making this an RSP discussion.


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And to quote myself from there:
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Offensive and uncomfortable are very different things.

I agree, but only offensive content is to be deleted.

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But I genuinely always worry before I go to Cons... I mean I really really stress about them because I know how many people are going to be really disappointed with me.

Are they really or you just expect them to be? Checking your pic at the board game society's pics (yes I found one... I think ) I don't know how or why you could cause disappointment.

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There are many men who are also capable of/currently do this... but they are a lower percentage of the male population.

But again... we are dancing on the edges of making this an RSP discussion.

That's something I actually find sad. Mostly I think it's as much the fault of commercial advertisements and stuff as of women who do believe they can't look good if they don't look like super models (who look good on photos but are terribly thin in life). If they believed in their own beauty it would be much easier for them to make us believe in it too.
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Career wise, appearance is just as crucial to male advancement as it is to female. Overweight people, regardless of gender, are discriminated against. It's not simply a gender consideration.

As to the concept that we need to decide if we're going to make an attempt to increase female participation or not, I'd say that putting on a false face to attract any group is folly. We are what we are, as people. We can be honest with that and only attract the people that want to work with it, or be fake and attract a bunch of people that will leave once we take off the mask. Gaming is a male dominated hobby, even board gaming. Males like to stare at hot women. If that offends you, this is the wrong thing to get into.

I tried PTA. It was a bunch of moms gossiping and clucking about the next wine raffle or shopping orgy (which they seem to have tranformed into a fundraiser of some sort, but I couldn't break myself away from suicidal thoughts long enough to grasp the details). Needless to say, I didn't go back. It wasn't my thing. I wouldn't think they should hide this, however, because that would just prolong my discovery that this was absolutely not my thing.

Please come to the con if you can. The only disappointment I see in the scenerio is if you don't.
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About looks: I would say if there are two contestants for a job and they are EXACTLY the same (same personality, same level of knowledge, experience etc.) I can imagine somebody chooses the one that is more good-looking. In any other case (unless it’s a job where looks count, like jobs where your look has a serious impact on selling something) I just can’t see a reason why the ’more good-looking but less qualified’ one should be hired. Of course I can see a reason (if the boss has hidden motivations) but you’d better not work in places like that.

Actually if I had to choose I’m not sure I wouldn’t choose the least good-looking secretary for me. I wouldn’t like my thoughts to be distracted from work by a secretary who makes you drool.
At the same time I’m not sure what an impact beautiful (and mean) contestants for the job can have on a man’s mind, merely by suggesting sexual things by their presence and behaviour that the future boss does not really ’get’ but his instincts do get the message.

But let me get it straight: we have to make a distinction what we mean by 'looks'. A woman with beautiful face and perfect body but with a hair that hasn't seen water in a month and dirty clothes etc. is not considered good-looking in most cases, while a not so perfect woman with a nice hair, proper costume etc. is. And if you take good-looking this way, I must say looks are important among men as well.
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And it seems Rich said the same about men/women what I wrote in my last sentence.
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My contributions to the W&G thread:
EgorjLileli wrote:
Another female chiming in here. I saw the list, it did NOT offend or bother me. As Lynette said, I have "gotten over" the objectification and dumbing down of females on this site, taken it with a grain of salt, and contributed in all forums where I and other women are valued and respected for our contributions to the site, regardless of our physical appearance.

Lynette put it very aptly and I will paraphrase her spot on comments concisely:
-Men are not objectified/primarily considered & valued for their looks
-Women have been, still are, and probably will always be objectified and valued primarily for their looks

The truth of the matter is that I saw the photos and while many were NOT sexualized in any way, there were still many others showing cleavage.

Nothing wrong with that you say. OK. I just count it as another example of women objectifying themselves or dressing in a way to attract positive or any attention. This is, unfortunately, the norm. Why are the celebrity news full of "news" stories of female celebrity photo shoots--most of them in bathing suits? And when you look at the photos, one or both parts of the bathing suit are missing in several of the photos? What motivates a young woman to display herself like that? Does she really need to do that to further her career, feel sexy, feel good about herself, or feel valued as a woman or person?

I have a daughter and these trends concern me. This is the same question as to why pre-teens, teens, and young adults take and post semi-nude, nude, and provocative photos (including erotica & porn) of themselves on the internet??? What does this say about what girls and women in our society value or feel brings value to them?

//preachy rant over

Bottom line. This is NOT about a big societal issue. I also feel that if the women in the photos (the ones showing cleavage) feel comfortable about doing so and don't mind being entered in a "hottest" contest that it shouldn't be anyone else's concern. If they are willing participants and are not offended then why should anyone else be?

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Offensive and uncomfortable are very different things.

I doubt most of women here would have found the list "offensive".

But I genuinely always worry before I go to Cons... I mean I really really stress about them because I know how many people are going to be really disappointed with me. Every BGG gets a little bit worse because so many more people recognize "me" as a person of interest on-line and I know they are going to intentionally seek me out.

Again... my baggage - my issues and I would not have objected or been offended by the list. But it certainly would have made me wistful to be what I am not at best ... uncomfortable and feel less valuable as a person at worst ... depending on how emotionally vulnerable I happened to be when I saw it.


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This is one of my worries too and one BIG reason that I remain anonymous (as much as possible) on this site. I don't anticipate going to Cons (can't afford it) but I do not want my name and photo to be on the internet period. I have seen comments that indicate that many men have looked up my profile out of curiosity. Sometimes that scares me--I'm not paranoid, but I don't really know any of you, do I?

The problem is that society places too much emphasis on the "hot" look for women, which increasingly includes less clothing and beauty and more erotica and semi-porn. This alone is not the entire problem. Why this is offensive to women is that very few women actually look like than and/or can achieve that look. This leads to unreal expectations, frustration, and feelings of low self-esteem/worth and "what is wrong with me?" attitudes.

This happened very recently to me--and I'm not a teen!! When I saw Valerie Bertinelli in a bikini after having lost 40 pounds I was floored. I mean how a woman in her 40's can achieve a body like that was fantastic and incredible to me. Then I started feeling bad about myself--barely having achieved that type of figure in my teens and early adulthood. Until I realized one thing: these celebrities do not work or have responsibilities. They have time and money to dedicate to improving their physical appearance. I am sure that for months she was able to dedicate 100% of her time to working on achieving that figure, plus having the money to hire personal trainers, cooks, or buy special foods. The regular woman cannot do this and frankly, what does it say about her as a person? Someone whose only focus, drive, and interest is in her physical appearance? Not a lot really. On top of that she is displaying her accomplishment as very favorable when in fact it is mostly unrealistic and unattainable for the majority women.

If it was easy to look like that (lose weight & tone up) then most of us would look like that. It is not easy--it is very hard. When you look around, the majority of women do NOT look like that. Yet, it is constantly held up to us as a positive accomplishment and an all-important and valuable goal.

That is what I see as the problem.

 
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I also want to post Melissa's quote from that thread as it has a very thought-provoking question:

melissa wrote:
lacxox wrote:
That's something I actually find sad. Mostly I think it's as much the fault of commercial advertisements and stuff as of women who do believe they can't look good if they don't look like super models (who look good on photos but are terribly thin in life). If they believed in their own beauty it would be much easier for them to make us believe in it too. But I guess we really should move to an RSP discussion now. Do you start the thread?


Do you think it might perhaps also be the fault of a society which thinks that beauty contests and cleavage shots are an appropriate measure (in some way) of a woman's worth on a website about boardgames?


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melissa wrote:
Do you think it might perhaps also be the fault of a society which thinks that beauty contests and cleavage shots are an appropriate measure (in some way) of a woman's worth on a website about boardgames?

In some way, it is a measure. Just as I said, an IQ test is also a measure and luckily that's not the only measure. Some people are considered ('and awarded') great because they are great in sports, some because they are great in mathematics and some because they are beautiful. Why is only this 'measure' taken as something evil? Why not all the 'measures' then?
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So please also quote my answer there
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lacxox wrote:
So please also quote my answer there

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There has been a lot of comments in both forums about the way men and women are wired and they way we naturally see things. Just because we naturally see things a certain way doesn't mean that this is desirable or even inevitable. The difference between humans and other animals is that we have the self awareness to rise above certain attributes and we don't have to fall slave to every instinct that nature heaps upon us. I think that beauty contests tend to pander to the baser parts of us, and that while many men may focus on looks there are those who have risen above it to something higher. Of course for everything in society that seeks to pander to these instincts it makes it harder and harder to do so and less men will be successful at this. Being attracted to women and being shallow are different things and I think certain things in society encourage people to be shallow. These things should be avoided.
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I am interested in and look up the pictures of just as many men on this site as women. If I look up a girl and she's hot, then I go, man she's hot (cuz I'm a guy), and then go on treating her exactly like I did before. Same thing with guys. It's who we are as animals.

Also, I think some of you ladies are sitting pretty high on your horses about the woman's plight and men getting off scott free. It's a load of crap. Men get judged and picked on and looked down on for just as many reasons, just different ones--like being sissies or crybabies or pussy-whipped or dumb-jocks and so on.
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Career wise, appearance is just as crucial to male advancement as it is to female. Overweight people, regardless of gender, are discriminated against. It's not simply a gender consideration.


I agree looks can affect men's careers as well... but not as much. I know a lot of unattractive men in management. I know of very few unattractive women in management. Even project management which should be almost entirely about technical knowledge and people handling skills.

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Please come to the con if you can. The only disappointment I see in the scenerio is if you don't.


If I do not come it will be because my house isn't finished being rebuilt and I cannot afford it.

However if I can come... I will be very stressed in some ways. No getting around that.

I know I started this thread... but real life calls so I am off to do stuff like work now... I will have to get to other points later.

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Drew1365 wrote:
Meerkat wrote:

But what makes a man "successful" is a much larger target and far more complex. There is no *one* trait that dominates this for men.


Maybe when women evaluate how successful a man is, the equation is complex, but for men it typically comes down to one thing: career. Or perhaps to put it even more basically: money.

A man can be a great father, a great husband, a good friend, healthy, attractive -- all kinds of things that might fall under the banner of "successful," but if he does not succeed at work, if he does not make enough money, ifgodforbid he gets laid off or unemployed, he will not consider himself successful. At all.

(Yes, this is a generalization. I know there are outliers.)

A man's self-image is entirely wrapped up in his work. I think it's just the way men are wired.

You can poke fun of a man's weight or his male pattern baldness or how he sits around watching the football game instead of mowing the lawn, and it will likely not do much harm. But if you want to completely diminish your man, criticize his ability to provide for the family. You will kill him.


So I guess an important question is how do we rise above this. Being a teacher I used to feel bad when people brought up how I didn't work during the summer. I originally felt that I must not be doing anything worthwhile if I wasn't doing paid work. It took some work but now I feel like everyone should have more time off (especially in america) and that there is more to a man's worth than how much status his career has. There is quite a bit of freedom when you don't have to see things the way the rest of society does, especially when the way the rest of society sees things is messed up. Society does base a man's worth on how much money he makes, and it drives a lot of men to waste a lot of their life climbing the ladder of success. Many of them realize later that they were climbing up the wrong ladder.

A friend once told me that when you are 20 you always worry about what other people think, when you are 40 you stop worrying about what people think, and when you are 60 you realize that no one was thinking about you in the first place.
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While I would like to participate and respond to your original post, Lynette, would you please post a picture of yourself in a low cut shirtwhile bending over towards the camera so I can decide how to reply to you?
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While I would like to participate and respond to your original post, Lynette, would you please post a picture of yourself in a low cut shirtwhile bending over towards the camera so I can decide how to reply to you?


I have to say, this is the most brilliant idea to ever emerge from RSP.
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EgorjLileli wrote:
Until I realized one thing: these celebrities do not work or have responsibilities. They have time and money to dedicate to improving their physical appearance. I am sure that for months she was able to dedicate 100% of her time to working on achieving that figure, plus having the money to hire personal trainers, cooks, or buy special foods.


And makeup artists skilled in covering up, taping, tucking, etc. Not to mention the flattering lighting, camera work, post editing, etc, etc.

There was a piece a few years back where Jamie Lee Curtis did a photo shoot where they started with her all dolled up in movie mode, and then stripped away the 'layers' down to her as she is everyday in her skivvies. It was very revealing in how much of the 'image' projected in the media is completely fabricated. Even the 'beautiful people' don't look like that off camera.

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I know a lot of unattractive men in management. I know of very few unattractive women in management. Even project management which should be almost entirely about technical knowledge and people handling skills.

For someone who is going on about how looks shouldn't be important, you sure are putting out a lot of "opinions" about people's looks, men's and women's.

To counter you, I'll say that I'm not sure I've ever scene an overly attractive (to me) woman in management. They all have short, often permed hair, too much make-up, ugly pant-suits. Blech. I think you are confusing professional looking with attractive looking, and also mixing in some of your own personal views of attractiveness. I work in a white-color, big corporate DoD subcontracting company, and a good deal of the people here at all levels are overweight and unattractive, but they are all dressed very nicely, and laugh at stupid jokes, and sign birthday cards, and so on.

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Geosphere wrote:
While I would like to participate and respond to your original post, Lynette, would you please post a picture of yourself in a low cut shirtwhile bending over towards the camera so I can decide how to reply to you?


I note that Lynette has thumbed this post, yet not replied.

She must be picking out wardrobe.
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Geosphere wrote:
While I would like to participate and respond to your original post, Lynette, would you please post a picture of yourself in a low cut shirtwhile bending over towards the camera so I can decide how to reply to you?


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Smartass!



MisterMarino once said it would prove I how much I love y'all if I ever really did post pictures of my boobs with meeple nipple clips.

And I do really LOVE y'all.

Since in RSP I know I am both loved and hated for what I say... I am actually tempted to do it. I may be unattractive in other ways but Magic Girl's got nothing on me in the cleavage department.

I will think about it... (without the nipples/meeples... just a good cleavage shot)

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just a good cleavage shot)



With a meeple shoved into the cleavage...
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Wouldn't you be undermining your whole message if you did?


WTF!?

I nominate you for World's Worst Wingman.
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Maybe when women evaluate how successful a man is, the equation is complex, but for men it typically comes down to one thing: career. Or perhaps to put it even more basically: money.


For older men. For younger men its all about height! I've seen women throw themselves at tall men. I've also seen women turn their nose up at shorter guys.
 
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I've also seen women turn their nose up at shorter guys.


That must have been hard! Did they have to get down on their knees to do it?
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I've also seen women turn their nose up at shorter guys.


That must have been hard! Did they have to get down on their knees to do it?


You are so lucky this is already in RSP, but here goes:

Of course they had to get down on their knees, doggy was the only was the guys could reach.
 
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Drew1365 wrote:
Wouldn't you be undermining your whole message if you did? I mean, if you complain about the objectification of women, and then let the RSP goons objectify you . . . haven't you just negated everything you're trying to say?


Yes and No... I recognize the complexity of the issue.

I can accept my "looks" being a part of my reality and basis for value. It is the overwhelming dominant weighting of it that I find deeply troublesome.

I have had several different men in my life over the years and say things like... "I find myself falling in love with you... but I don't want to love you" or "I want to find a girl JUST like you to marry only pretty" or "Lynette if you were a woman how would you feel about X?". And these were my FRIENDS who cared about me... not the mean making fun of me jerks.

I have literally lost really good friends over my looks. We would be hanging out a lot (especially when they were fellow gamers) and other guys would start to think they were "dating" me. And even though we both denied it they would be so embarrassed that anybody had even thought they would date me that they totally cut me out of their life. Sometimes in mean and hurtful ways.

And this is the level of emphasis on looks I accept is real for men but I really don't understand or "get" on a gut level.

I have genuinely loved men romantically who were not "physically" attractive as a stand alone feature but because of who they "were" as a person I found them to be amazingly "attractive" to *me*.

And I certainly have never considered people's looks to be a factor in my enjoyment of them as fellow humans and/or friends or gaming buddies.

I like pretty icing... but CAKE is what matters. And while there are many shallow women in the world... most women tend to be more interested in cake.

Which brings us back to me posting a racy pic in RSP

I think the majority of people in here are not going to be seriously affected good or bad by my looks because they already like or dislike me as a person and with a few notable exceptions this place has already self selected for people who are looking for depth of personality rather than eye candy in life.

So letting those who would enjoy what the "Icing" I do possess isn't likely to make any of them think more or less about my real value as a poster here.

And like all almost all western women... I am deeply culturally programed to desire admiration for what part of my looks are viewed favorably. And this would be a mostly safe place to get some of that kind of admiration.

But like I said... I am only thinking about it.

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I know that women who are preyed upon by pornographers like to tell themselves that they're actually exercising their power over men, but . . . I've always felt that was self-delusion.


I agree with this for the most part. Because most of them wouldn't do it just for the fun of doing it. Which I think is a telling item in determining their real deep feelings and motivations.


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