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Do you disagree with the study, DX? Cause I'm not seeing the point of the thread.
 
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DarthXaos wrote:
quozl wrote:
Did you see the movie Saved?


Yes I did, actually


What did you think of it?
 
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Top 10 states with highest teen birth rates:

1. Mississippi
2. New Mexico
3. Texas
4. Arkansas
5. Arizona
6. Oklahoma
7. Nevada
8. Tennessee
9. Kentucky
10. Georgia

Top 10 most conservatively religious states:

1. Mississippi
2. Alabama
3. South Carolina
4. Tennessee
5. Louisiana
6. Utah
7. Arkansas
8. North Carolina
9. Kentucky
10. Oklahoma


Interesting where they fall here:

http://www.statemaster.com/graph/edu_bes_edu_ind-education-b...
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[It was a very accurate portrayal of the Christian subculture.


I can't really judge how accurate it was: I will say that I thought Saved was an excellent film about the ramifications of faith, both positive and negative.
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Top 10 states with highest teen birth rates:

1. Mississippi
2. New Mexico
3. Texas
4. Arkansas
5. Arizona
6. Oklahoma
7. Nevada
8. Tennessee
9. Kentucky
10. Georgia

Top 10 most conservatively religious states:

1. Mississippi
2. Alabama
3. South Carolina
4. Tennessee
5. Louisiana
6. Utah
7. Arkansas
8. North Carolina
9. Kentucky
10. Oklahoma


Interesting where they fall here:

http://www.statemaster.com/graph/edu_bes_edu_ind-education-b...


Do they have a "top 10 cousin spawn states" chart? Mississippi could get the triple crown! Woo!
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mightygodking wrote:
DarthXaos wrote:
It was a very accurate portrayal of the Christian subculture.


I can't really judge how accurate it was: I will say that I thought Saved was an excellent film about the ramifications of faith, both positive and negative.


I attended a private Christian high school and will vouch for it's uncanny accuracy, not merely in the details but also in capturing the attitudes and atmosphere. Of course, it is an accurate portrayal of a very specific type of Christianity.

It is also certainly an excellent film.
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Police has reports linking a misterious pigeon to the high rate of virginal pregnancies, but it's not clear enough.
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That picture needs a warning. I just recovered from a seizure.
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DCAnderson wrote:
So when you teach your kids to just not have sex in lew of safe sex you end up with teenagers getting pregnant. This is shocking.


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This kind of study, while accurate, is quite misleading. This article is the example of shitty statistics running rampant.

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For religiosity, the researchers averaged the percentage of respondents who agreed with conservative responses to eight statements, including: ''There is only one way to interpret the teachings of my religion," and ''Scripture should be taken literally, word for word."


They found a strong correlation between statewide conservative religiousness and statewide teen birth rate even when they accounted for income and abortion rates.


Well, this is is no fucking surprise. When you take the correlation of averages, you are much more likely to find a higher correlation than if you take the correlation of raw data. It is a statistical artifact.

As for controlling for income, it does reduce the effect, but looking at in a more stepwise procedure shows you how little religiosity matters when compared to household income. We can run our own analysis based on the ranked data in: birth rate, religiosity (both from the article), median income (wikipedia) and education (from the link pronoblem gave).

Let's start out trying to predict birth rate from income. Basically,

birth rate = income

That model explains 29% of the variance in birth rate. Closely related to income will be the educational system of the state; however, it won't be a one-to-one relationship. So we can go to the next model

birth rate = income + education

That model explains 68% of the variance.

Now we can say, does religion have an effect above and beyond income and education, the model

birth rate = income + education + religion

That model explains 76% of the variance in birth rate. So out of 76% of the variance able to explained from those three variables, religion only accounts for about 10% of the effect, while education and income account for 90% of the effect.

From a policy perspective, what we would want to focus on is improving the educational experience and reducing poverty.
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From a policy perspective, what we would want to focus on is improving the educational experience and reducing poverty.


Well, yeah... except... that would remove all the reasons for people to feel smug about not being Christian and not living in Tennessee.
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DWTripp wrote:
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From a policy perspective, what we would want to focus on is improving the educational experience and reducing poverty.


Well, yeah... except... that would remove all the reasons for people to feel smug about not being Christian and not living in Tennessee.


Bullshit. Nothing can remove the smugness I feel at not living in Tennessee.
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I think we can safely lay the blame at the fact that all these states are boring, and the only things to do are go to church and have sex.
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Shushnik wrote:
DWTripp wrote:
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From a policy perspective, what we would want to focus on is improving the educational experience and reducing poverty.


Well, yeah... except... that would remove all the reasons for people to feel smug about not being Christian and not living in Tennessee.


Bullshit. Nothing can remove the smugness I feel at not living in Tennessee.


I've visited Tennessee many times (mostly Chattanooga and Knoxville). It is a beautiful state. The people there are extremely nice. Its one of the nicer states I've visited. I would have no problem living there (but my wife would hate it).
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BFoy wrote:
Shushnik wrote:
DWTripp wrote:
SpaceGhost wrote:


From a policy perspective, what we would want to focus on is improving the educational experience and reducing poverty.


Well, yeah... except... that would remove all the reasons for people to feel smug about not being Christian and not living in Tennessee.


Bullshit. Nothing can remove the smugness I feel at not living in Tennessee.


I've visited Tennessee many times (mostly Chattanooga and Knoxville). It is a beautiful state. The people there are extremely nice. Its one of the nicer states I've visited. I would have no problem living there (but my wife would hate it).


The first thing they teach you in improv comedy class is that the best way to destroy a joke is to deny or refute it. Fucking killjoy.
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I think we can safely lay the blame at the fact that all these states are boring, and the only things to do are go to church and have sex.
BULLSHIT! There's also driving around aimlessly and lighting shit on fire.
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Shushnik wrote:
BFoy wrote:
Shushnik wrote:
DWTripp wrote:
SpaceGhost wrote:


From a policy perspective, what we would want to focus on is improving the educational experience and reducing poverty.


Well, yeah... except... that would remove all the reasons for people to feel smug about not being Christian and not living in Tennessee.


Bullshit. Nothing can remove the smugness I feel at not living in Tennessee.


I've visited Tennessee many times (mostly Chattanooga and Knoxville). It is a beautiful state. The people there are extremely nice. Its one of the nicer states I've visited. I would have no problem living there (but my wife would hate it).


The first thing they teach you in improv comedy class is that the best way to destroy a joke is to deny or refute it. Fucking killjoy.


Lol, I admit that I know very little about telling jokes.
 
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DCAnderson wrote:
DWTripp wrote:
SpaceGhost wrote:


From a policy perspective, what we would want to focus on is improving the educational experience and reducing poverty.


Well, yeah... except... that would remove all the reasons for people to feel smug about not being Christian and not living in Tennessee.


I can only feel smug about one of those soblue


Change Tennessee to Mississippi, and you're back up to two.

You're welcome.
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BFoy wrote:
Lol, I admit that I know very little about telling jokes.


Neither do I, according to my wife.
 
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Shushnik wrote:
DCAnderson wrote:
DWTripp wrote:
SpaceGhost wrote:


From a policy perspective, what we would want to focus on is improving the educational experience and reducing poverty.


Well, yeah... except... that would remove all the reasons for people to feel smug about not being Christian and not living in Tennessee.


I can only feel smug about one of those soblue


Change Tennessee to Mississippi, and you're back up to two.

You're welcome.


Can't argue with that one.
 
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Shushnik wrote:
DCAnderson wrote:
DWTripp wrote:
SpaceGhost wrote:


From a policy perspective, what we would want to focus on is improving the educational experience and reducing poverty.


Well, yeah... except... that would remove all the reasons for people to feel smug about not being Christian and not living in Tennessee.


I can only feel smug about one of those soblue


Change Tennessee to Mississippi, and you're back up to two.

You're welcome.


This from a guy who lives in a state that is solid tundra half the year, a giant pool of standing water the other half and whose residents are prone to serial killings and human liver consumption?

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bjlillo wrote:
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This from a guy who lives in a state that is solid tundra half the year, a giant pool of standing water the other half and whose residents are prone to serial killings and human liver consumption?


I can't think of any Minnesota serial killers offhand. Are you thinking of Dahmer? He was from Milwaukee.


Unfortunately I read too many murder mystery novels and my favorite is about a Minneapolis detective who is constantly dealing with serial killings. I figure the author wouldn't have created that character if it wasn't true. Kind of like this thread eh?
 
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