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SGResu GPq
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I saw a picture about new figures and a Codex.
Is that a kind of expansion or GW is thinking about producing all chapters figures/codex?
 
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It's for Warhammer 40k, which is one of Games Workshops 'core' games.

Space Hulk is a 'specialist' game, based on the same backstory.
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Space Wolves are one of the many Space Marine Chapters in the 40k setting. The Blood Angels being one, The Ultramarines being another, And the space Wolves being a third that has featured prominently. The Death Angels and the Deathwing Chapters have also made appearances. Each with their own colour schemes and attendant Codex book.

GW more or less cycles through these. In the early stages of 40k you'd see alot of the Ultramarines and Space Wolves, then at some point the Blood Angels started getting more and more attention.

Each has had their figure sets over th years. The Space Wolves had some very elaborate designs.

For Space Hulk all the codexes are good for is background info and painting schemes. They are not compatible unfortunately.
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Why they're not compatible? Becouse rules/versions changes?
I thought the main story was all about blood angels in space hulk.
 
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SGResu wrote:
Why they're not compatible? Becouse rules/versions changes?
I thought the main story was all about blood angels in space hulk.


A Codex is a sourcebook/expansion for the game Warhammer 40,000 (fifth edition).

Both games share the same background, but are completely different mechanically.
 
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Space Hulk uses a diffrent combat system from 40k. They share the same equipment, creatures, setting and background. But the combat and movement are diffrent. Space Hulk resolves battles alot quicker.

As for it being all about Blood Angels, 3ed Ed certainly is. But 1st Ed just mentions them in the introduction. Past that you could paint them any way you pleased. Deathwing focused on the Deathwing and Death Angel chapters. If you look around you'll find minis and data on the prominint groups or ideas on conversions.

The Codex books essentially give history in groups and present troop types for 40k. The history is usefull but the unit data is not.

SGResu wrote:
Why they're not compatible? Becouse rules/versions changes?
I thought the main story was all about blood angels in space hulk.
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Fabs wrote:
Space Hulk is a 'specialist' game, based on the same backstory.


Why does everyone call Space Hulk a "specialist" game, when Games Workshop doesn't classify it as such?

 
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GW make two types of game. It's not "core" so it is "specialist".
 
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I know.. but I find it strange that they are pretty stubborn about NOT putting it in the "specialist" category on their website.

Well, odds are I just missed some announcement about it...
 
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Space Wolves are vikings in space.
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Its not a specialist game yet... since they are not supporting it in any way other than taking your money for it.... if ever they start producing extra models or add on those will probably go under specialist games.

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Omega2064 wrote:
The Death Angels and the Deathwing Chapters have also made appearances.


Small point: Deathwing is not a chapter; they are the Dark Angels Chapter terminators.
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Its not a specialist game yet... since they are not supporting it in any way other than taking your money for it.... if ever they start producing extra models or add on those will probably go under specialist games.

I guess it's neither a specialist or a core .. it's an 'out-of-print'
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I'm really surprised they didn't create any special "Space Hulk with Space Wolves" rules. The new Termies look great, and look like they could easily be fitted onto 25mm or 30mm bases to work with Space Hulk. I know I'm going to pick up a set.

But something, anything for Space Hulk would have been awesome...

-shnar
 
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ANY of the variant terminators that GW sells can be used for Space Hulk. As long as the weapon loadouts are the same, one can use the Blood Angles, Dark Angels, Space Wolves, Ultramarines, etc. etc.
Sure, the backstory is Blood Angel specific but it won't affect gameplay whatsoever.
 
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Aging One wrote:
Omega2064 wrote:
The Death Angels and the Deathwing Chapters have also made appearances.


Small point: Deathwing is not a chapter; they are the Dark Angels Chapter terminators.


Here's one thing that has always intrigued me. Are ALL Dark Angel Terminators members of Deathwing? Or do you get normal Dark Angel Termies and Deathwing are a special branch, so to speak? As far as I recall the Deathwing Terminators are from a different world from the Dark Angels originally (like Native Americans??) but whether they float about on the big rock with the rest of their brethren I don't know. I was under the impression that Deathwing termies are not the same as normal termies who are very old, battle-tried veterans, but some elite force who are trained separately (like how for a while Space Wolf scouts were not the Greens but a spearate sect).

Or have I got the wrong end of the stick somewhere? My interest in 40k more or less faded away with the release of 3rd edition (Black Tempars vs Dark Eldar??)
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The Deathwing is the 1st company. ONLY the 1st company of a Chapter, i.e. its veteran company, is trained to use Terminator Armour.

The Deathwing is unique in that they have enough suits of Terminator Armour to supply the ENTIRE 1st company.

The Dark Angels recruit from a number of feral worlds, the case of the Deathwing's naming & colour scheme origin deals with one such world.
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Apart from the Grey Knights, of course - that whole Chapter is trained to use Terminator armour.
 
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RDewsbery wrote:
Apart from the Grey Knights, of course - that whole Chapter is trained to use Terminator armour.


Grey Knights are also equipped with power armour, just like regular Space Marine chapters.
 
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RDewsbery wrote:
Apart from the Grey Knights, of course - that whole Chapter is trained to use Terminator armour.


While true, it can also be argued that they have an entirely non-traditional structure anyway.
 
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I suspected as much, but data was slim and Im lacking certain 2nd Ed Codexs yet for reffrence. In my old 2nd Ed book theres one Deathwing model represented as if it is its own chapter. (IE: It doesnt say Deathwing: sub-chapter.)

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Omega2064 wrote:
The Death Angels and the Deathwing Chapters have also made appearances.


Small point: Deathwing is not a chapter; they are the Dark Angels Chapter terminators.
 
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I think I had to buy the eng edition...the italian has some lacks in the traslation
 
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Slev wrote:
RDewsbery wrote:
Apart from the Grey Knights, of course - that whole Chapter is trained to use Terminator armour.


While true, it can also be argued that they have an entirely non-traditional structure anyway.


I thought Grey Knights were separate from Space Marines. Aren't they part of the Inquisition instead? Or are the Grey Knights a chapter? Have I missed something?:p
 
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The Grey Knights are a chapter of Marines who form the Chamber Militant of the Ordo Malleus of the Inquisition.

They are Marines, but they are elite by even Marine standards. They are all slightly psychic and trained to use their abilities defensively. The more powerful Psykers amongst them are able to channel the powers of their Battle Brothers.
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Urisk wrote:
Aging One wrote:
Omega2064 wrote:
The Death Angels and the Deathwing Chapters have also made appearances.


Small point: Deathwing is not a chapter; they are the Dark Angels Chapter terminators.


Here's one thing that has always intrigued me. Are ALL Dark Angel Terminators members of Deathwing? Or do you get normal Dark Angel Termies and Deathwing are a special branch, so to speak? As far as I recall the Deathwing Terminators are from a different world from the Dark Angels originally (like Native Americans??) but whether they float about on the big rock with the rest of their brethren I don't know. I was under the impression that Deathwing termies are not the same as normal termies who are very old, battle-tried veterans, but some elite force who are trained separately (like how for a while Space Wolf scouts were not the Greens but a spearate sect).

Or have I got the wrong end of the stick somewhere? My interest in 40k more or less faded away with the release of 3rd edition (Black Tempars vs Dark Eldar??)


This all harks back to the original 'Deathwing' expansion for SH 1st ed. , and its wonderful 'fluff' backstory - wherein the Dark Angel's 1st company return to their (sole) Native American-flavour recruiting world to find it overrun with Genestealers, and proceed to go all 'final battle death wish'-ey and paint their armour white before kicking 'stealer ass. and of course winning against the odds. Go Deathwing!

Then GW went and rewrote the backstory for the Dark Angels a few more times, and they became less like the Native American guys from 'Deathwing', and more like lone-monastery-in-space-with-Dark-Secret-OMG!-they-fell-dudes. Which somehow were also kinda Native American-y as far as Deathwing went. Stupid retconning - never works...

I always preferred the original 'Deathwing' Dark Angels and their backstory. Wish I'd kept that expansion. It had all the clan symbols and names for the Marines - such great flavoursome stuff! My favourite was and still is the name 'Lame Bear'. I mean, don't you just want to know what happened there?

And if I ever get hold of SH again, that's going to be the first Marine I paint. Crikey, getting a bit tearful now...

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