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So, with the G-20 in my town today, the obligatory protesters are here too. Some of these people got march permits, and some didn't. One group that didn't decided to march anyway. Here's a pic...



Apparently these guys planned to march downtown and bust up a bunch of windows - the usual stuff. They did break some windows in a bank, and busted one policecar window. However, Pittsburgh's finest is out in overwhelming force and the protesters are not getting through.



Apparently, based on some news interviews with would-be protesters, the protesters are bitterly disappointed that they aren't getting the run of the town as they did back in Seattle. They are referring to the town as a "police state".

Oh well. Grow up.

Maybe you don't like capitalism, or central governments, that's fine. But when you start throwing rocks at police and public property, you've crossed a line with me and the vast majority of people who live here. Find a way to get your message across without mindless violence and destruction and you, and your message, might actually stand a chance of being taken seriously.

What do the rest of you RSP'ers think?
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I think most of those people are just pissed they weren't alive in the 60's. Their antics are a pale imitation of the real thing. Not that the real thing was any better... those guys had parental support too... in the form of bail money and monthly stipends for their dorm rooms.
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As someone who once upon a time, in a country far far away, did go to illegal marches and chucked rocks at police... I agree with you.

There is a point at which violent resistance to the government becomes morally justifiable but that point is *so* far away for contemporary USA that these kids make mockery of such things as civil disobedience and resistance.

In effect there is really no substantive difference between them and the soccer hooligans venting out on public (and private) property after a lost game.

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The funniest thing about the entire thing is that the city called in thousands upon thousands of police & national guard for a relatively tiny group of only ~1000 activists. The overwhelming paranoia of the state is on full display.

Anyhoo ... the vast majority of us were not going to turn out to another summit protest in the US, even though Pittsburgh is only day's drive from every major metropolitan area from Washington to Boston. Summit protests are sooooo 1999.

Most of us use our activist energy more wisely than getting stomped and gassed by cops.

btw: you can follow the live police scanners about the protest here:

http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?ctid=2242

be prepared to be bored


Most of us use our activist energy more wisely than getting stomped and gassed by cops. - Thank you. I have no problem with activists per se, and this is a democracy, so please have at it. Like I said, having a message without violence and destruction is a good way to make sure it's taken seriously.

As for the boring part - that is entirely the point of the police presence: boring = no violence. We like boring!
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Well, once again we find that clowning and anarchy don't mix.
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desertfox2004 wrote:
But when you start throwing rocks at police and public property, you've crossed a line with me and the vast majority of people who live here. Find a way to get your message across without mindless violence and destruction and you, and your message, might actually stand a chance of being taken seriously.


What if "mindless violence and destruction" is their message?
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mistermarino wrote:
desertfox2004 wrote:
But when you start throwing rocks at police and public property, you've crossed a line with me and the vast majority of people who live here. Find a way to get your message across without mindless violence and destruction and you, and your message, might actually stand a chance of being taken seriously.


What if "mindless violence and destruction" is their message?


...then I say, let the police have a field day! There's no room for that rock throwing crap around here and if that's all they are about, they'll get what's coming to them! One thing about Pittsburgh (other than our six Lombardi trophies) is that the police in this town will never be accused of being overly sensitive. I would not mess with them.
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There you go, Drew. Stay on message.
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Protesters are awesome!

Their calorie expenditures are as follows:
- Screaming in the face of riot police for the better part of a week 58%
- Hacky Sack/Devil Stick practice 10%
- Bumming money off their guilt-ridden parents 7%
- Saving up for Burning Man/Following Grateful Dead Phish Dave Matthews Band Tour 7%
- Taking up space at coffee shops (otherwise known as: driving away paying customers) 6%
- Making cleverly, biting signs that really stick it to the man, man! 5%
- Finding their next hit 4%
- Making hemp "jewelry" 2.9%
- Showering .1%
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Are they wrist ties next to the batons?
 
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Anyone else think it's odd that you need a permit to protest? Who decides if you are allowed a permit, and what happens if you don't get one? Do you have to pay for it?
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GAWD wrote:

Oh Dan ... you silly European you:

In America freedom isn't really "free" ... it's just a cool marketing slogan.


Oh I see. McFree. I getcha.

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desertfox2004 wrote:
Find a way to get your message across without mindless violence and destruction and you, and your message, might actually stand a chance of being taken seriously.


You probably mean "without mindless violence and destruction exerted by your own means", as exerting violence and destruction through police is apparently OK to get your message across.
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HeinzGuderian wrote:
desertfox2004 wrote:
Find a way to get your message across without mindless violence and destruction and you, and your message, might actually stand a chance of being taken seriously.


You probably mean "without mindless violence and destruction exerted by your own means", as exerting violence and destruction through police is apparently OK to get your message across.



Yeah, the Police probably have the right permits.
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Greendan wrote:
HeinzGuderian wrote:
desertfox2004 wrote:
Find a way to get your message across without mindless violence and destruction and you, and your message, might actually stand a chance of being taken seriously.


You probably mean "without mindless violence and destruction exerted by your own means", as exerting violence and destruction through police is apparently OK to get your message across.



Yeah, the Police probably have the right permits.


If the protesters get out of hand, as they did last night, and start breaking windows and destroying property, then they are no longer protesters, but simple criminals, and the police have every right to use all legal means to arrest them and take them into custody, and I have no problem, whatsoever, with the police doing that. Some protesters here have done it the right way, with peaceful marches, holding signs, and they have had no problems. The hooligans on the other hand have been dealt with using legal police methods, including tear gas, acoustic devices, rubber bullets, and other non-lethal methods, and I, and the vast majority of Pittsburghers, fully support the police efforts. I make no apologies for that. You want to march with a sign and shout a slogan or two, no problem. Start busting up our town and it's a different story.
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HeinzGuderian wrote:
desertfox2004 wrote:
Find a way to get your message across without mindless violence and destruction and you, and your message, might actually stand a chance of being taken seriously.


You probably mean "without mindless violence and destruction exerted by your own means", as exerting violence and destruction through police is apparently OK to get your message across.


Why don't you fully explain your obtuse statement? The police are merely arresting criminals, they are not destroying anything.
 
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joebelanger wrote:
Protesters are awesome!

Their calorie expenditures are as follows:
- Screaming in the face of riot police for the better part of a week 58%
- Hacky Sack/Devil Stick practice 10%
- Bumming money off their guilt-ridden parents 7%
- Saving up for Burning Man/Following Grateful Dead Phish Dave Matthews Band Tour 7%
- Taking up space at coffee shops (otherwise known as: driving away paying customers) 6%
- Making cleverly, biting signs that really stick it to the man, man! 5%
- Finding their next hit 4%
- Making hemp "jewelry" 2.9%
- Showering .1%


Reverse the percentages and you have gencon.
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Surely you aren't implying that GenCon attendees spend 58% of their caloric expenditure showering?
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I'm glad the police have been so active!

I mean, a randomly destructive mob in the wrong area of Pittsburgh, if left unchecked, could cause thousands of dollars in property improvements!

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rcbevco wrote:
joebelanger wrote:
Protesters are awesome!

Their calorie expenditures are as follows:
- Screaming in the face of riot police for the better part of a week 58%
- Hacky Sack/Devil Stick practice 10%
- Bumming money off their guilt-ridden parents 7%
- Saving up for Burning Man/Following Grateful Dead Phish Dave Matthews Band Tour 7%
- Taking up space at coffee shops (otherwise known as: driving away paying customers) 6%
- Making cleverly, biting signs that really stick it to the man, man! 5%
- Finding their next hit 4%
- Making hemp "jewelry" 2.9%
- Showering .1%


Reverse the percentages and you have gencon.


Half of GenCon attendees think that Dave Matthews is mostly likely a game designer.
 
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