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Subject: Use the Chapel to throw away Copper and keep Estates? That's crazy! rss

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Wei-Hwa Huang
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... but I just did it in a 2-player game, and won.

At the mid-game, my deck was:

Village x5
Smithy x3
Estate x3
Baron x2
Throne Room
Chapel

No Treasure!

At this point, the deck is pretty much going to nearly guarantee
12 treasure and 4 buys a turn.
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Clever. I've experimented with combining Chapel and Baron, but usually only kept one Estate and then trashed both it and the Baron midway through the game when I could no longer rely on getting them both together. Nice job.
 
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onigame wrote:
... but I just did it in a 2-player game, and won.

At the mid-game, my deck was:

Village x5
Smithy x3
Estate x3
Baron x2
Throne Room
Chapel

No Treasure!

At this point, the deck is pretty much going to nearly guarantee
12 treasure and 4 buys a turn.


Decent strategy, though it would have been significantly more effective to buy some gold at some point. With all those villages and smithys and throne room, you should be drawing your whole deck most turns. Keeping all 3 estates hurt you more than helped you.

Also, if there was any other better way of increasing your buys, this strategy might not have been so optimal.
 
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onigame wrote:
... but I just did it in a 2-player game, and won.

At the mid-game, my deck was:

Village x5
Smithy x3
Estate x3
Baron x2
Throne Room
Chapel

No Treasure!

At this point, the deck is pretty much going to nearly guarantee
12 treasure and 4 buys a turn.


Why stop at 12 treasure? Once you've used a Throne Room / Baron to discard 2 Estates, you should then draw them again so you can play a second Throne Room / Baron for 16 treasure, netting you two Provinces.
 
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dond80 wrote:
Decent strategy, though it would have been significantly more effective to buy some gold at some point.


I doubt it. Throne Room + Baron is worth more than Gold + Gold, and costs less.
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DaviddesJ wrote:
dond80 wrote:
Decent strategy, though it would have been significantly more effective to buy some gold at some point.


I doubt it. Throne Room + Baron is worth more than Gold + Gold, and costs less.


your argument improperly assumes you can't do both...
 
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dond80 wrote:
your argument improperly assumes you can't do both...


No, it properly assumes that you can't do both. If you're spending money on Gold, then you're not spending it on Throne Rooms and Barons. Adding Throne Rooms and Barons adds more to the power of this deck than adding Gold does, so it's a better choice.

There could come a point where you have so many Throne Rooms and Barons that you don't want any more, and then you would have to increase the buying power with some less efficient purchase, such as Gold. But this deck clearly hasn't reached that point yet, and probably never will (since at that point you should just be buying Provinces and ending the game).
 
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DaviddesJ wrote:
dond80 wrote:
your argument improperly assumes you can't do both...


No, it properly assumes that you can't do both. If you're spending money on Gold, then you're not spending it on Throne Rooms and Barons. Adding Throne Rooms and Barons adds more to the power of this deck than adding Gold does, so it's a better choice.

There could come a point where you have so many Throne Rooms and Barons that you don't want any more, and then you would have to increase the buying power with some less efficient purchase, such as Gold. But this deck clearly hasn't reached that point yet, and probably never will (since at that point you should just be buying Provinces and ending the game).


Ok...you play it your way and Ill play it mine and we'll see who wins. When that deck stalls, it does nothing. When mine stalls, I buy a single province and get irritated I couldn't buy more.
 
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You know, you play a game similar to this 50 times, and miss this strategy all 50 times.

I play a lot with the Baron (makes for a fast game), but I usually do like another poster said... use it a few times, then trash it and the estates. The efficiency of not wasting turns trashing the estates and barons has to help too - it would probably net you one extra turn over the course of the game.

I'm making a mental note of this one
 
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